Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

I kind of hated this episode. I would have given it a 7 for being mediocre, but otherwise okay. However, the fucking turbolifts completely broke the entire episode for me. I couldn't suspend disbelief in that turbolift sequence, and it JUST KEPT GOING. I fucking hate For the Discovery is Hollow and I Have Touched the Turbolift. It made for a decent action sequence, but that is not how turbolifts work. I gave the episode a 6.

 

So how do Turbolifts work in the 3000s? I'd be interested in learning more about them.

 

Not in a giant fucking chasm.

 

The turbolift thing reminded me of a scene from one of the Star Wars prequel movies. Although it seems odd that the ship would just have all this empty space in the middle of it... or why they'd even be necessary with site to site transport being ubiquitous.

 

I think I'll collectively give all three episodes an 8.

 

Michael just loves spacing Regulators.

Ah the orgasmic bliss of an ejected warp core relieving all your tensions as it explodes in white-hot fire.

Love the Voyager name-checking. I could almost hear Janeway commenting, "Time to break the Chain."

 

At with that last half sentence, credibility is out the airlock.

 

They stuffed a lot into the finale, so much that it was hard to keep track of it all.

I was sorry that they killed off Osyraa and turned her back into a cardboard villain after last week’s episode. It doesn’t allow for shades of gray and complexity.

I’m also not sure I like the explanation for the Burn. A child’s expression of grief destroyed the known universe’s supply of dilithium? It seems like a pretty well used sci fi trope. Also not happy to see Saru shipped off to Kaminar to play mentor to Su’Kal. I hope he is not being written off the show.

I also don’t think they’ve developed the bridge crew as well as they could have. I wanted to know more than tidbits. How about an episode centered on each? That said, I am pretty satisfied with how they ended up, happy and at work and in their new uniforms.

 

Dilithium Crystals Are Forever. Elevator fight scene with Book and Zareh.

 

I just can't... haven't finished watching yet.
0/10... -1/10... Worst... episode.. ever...
Are they on discovery or in some tens of kilometer long tunnel?
12 ships fire on Discovery for minutes causing minimal damage..
I just can't...
Hopefully last 15 min are better somehow.. I don't think so...

 

Rumor has it Zareh is still falling down that chasm.

 

If Saru stays on the series, i see him more as a full time Diplomat,
The last minutes indicated that Saru was an important part on negotiations with the Trill, so i guess thats his future role is a kind of special envoy to reconnect former worlds with the federation and Discovery assist him on his missions if needed.

Second option
Saru gets his own series and a ship ( Voyager or a new Enterprise ) and like Georgiou, season 4 set the groundwork for it.

 

So, here's the thing... the calculations for things like freefall distance are pretty straightforward.

Burnham rolled out of an open doorway and fell for ~4.5 seconds onto the roof of a passing turbolift. Assuming Discovery has Earth-like gravity, she'd have fallen ~99m and reached a speed of ~158km/s. Apparently she sutained no life-threatening injuries while doing this, thereby revealing that Burnham is secretly a Jedi.

Later on, we see Discovery's warp core fall for ~8 seconds (although admittedly it scrapes the sides on the way down, because... yeah... why would you want a smooth ejection system for a warp core, I guess ). Assuming it fell under gravity, it has travelled ~300m before it leaves the ship.

Discovery, based on its canonical length of 750.5m, is only ~75m tall.

Never mind the cavernous open spaces we are somehow expected to believe fit inside the ship.

Even if we assume everyone and everything was falling very slowly, the ship is shown to be impossibly big. Spacedock big. TARDIS big. It's farcical. It's impossible to take seriously.

 

And Tuvok keeps reliving it somehow...

 

Thinking about it, why does stuff even fall down in that weird turbolift zone in the hull?

I mean, I know the ships generate artificial gravity for filming-related reasons. But isn't it pretty well established that each deck generates its own gravity? I remember at least one scene from Enterprise where they showcased how "down" can become "up" in the ship's nether regions quite suddenly.

It makes no sense to presume artificial gravity is generated as some sort of "plate" beneath the ship, because then the ship itself would crash into it.

Thus, they generate artificial gravity within the turbolift funhouse zone. Why? It's a double waste of energy, as it means you're generating gravity where it's not needed, and the turbolifts have to use energy to push against the gravity you're also generating with energy.

Yes, I know, the reason off-show is no one bothered to actually think about this like a science-fiction writer. Sad.

 

I think I read somewhere Enterprise revealed by the 31st century Starfleet had TARDIS style "bigger on the inside" tech? Can anyone confirm? That could explain the turbolift system.

Maybe Zareh should have fallen into the Eye of Harmony like the Master did in Paul McGann's Dr. Who! Or for Star Trek, into the waste fueled replicator input pool.

Vance: That apple you're eating is Zareh you know? The sphere data on Discovery immediately took his remains into the replicator matter pool.

Burnham: ...

Maybe Sahil brought along a real apple for Vance to eat.

 

Yep. The episode Future Tense. I doubt the producers are aware of that episode and also, why use that tech in the turbolift? It’s used to give more space for useful things like quarters and science labs. Not chasms.

 

I wonder why Detmer is wearing gold, she's the helm officer, not operations.

We've seen turbolifts fall in their shafts in the older series when something goes wrong.

 

Come on, bottomless chasms are a time honored Starfleet tradition since Riker kicked the Reman Viceroy into one on Enterprise E's deck 29. Obviously Starfleet engineers are huge fans of Star Wars architecture.

 

At least that wasn’t a massive chasm there.