What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Nah, I hated Geordi in this episode—and a number of others frankly. The guy was a creep with women and a bully at times (thinking of how he treated Reg in ‘Hollow Pursuits’ as well as Scotty here). While I generally loved ‘Relics’, the fact that Jimmy Doohan was so charming made it all the harder to see him being treated as annoyance and a waste of space. I mean, it’s really hard not to feel for him. Geordi just needed to show a little patience and respect for his elders. One of the things that bugged me about TNG, and I’m not sure if anyone else noticed it, was that whenever it did do a crossover with TOS it was usually with a bit of a smug, condescending attitude. There was a less than subtle inference that TNG’s characters were somehow superior, with the original crew portrayed as ramshackle cowboys whose ways of doing things (ie, “cowboy diplomacy”) would never be tolerated in the super-enlightened 24th century. It just rubbed me up the wrong way. Geordi’s attitude here exemplified it for me.

 

Do people, outside of some silly youtube channels maybe, even use the "Gene's Vision!!!1!one!" argument anymore?
At least around here I can only remember seeing it used sarcastically.

 

It happened yesterday. Go to the Disco Forum. I won't gratify it with a link.

It's happened a few times in the Picard Forum too.

 

Gene's vision was, to paraphrase Zephram Cochran, dollar signs and women.

Yes to all of those for Discovery. Still not built up the drive to watch Picard yet, also need to decide where I want Amazon Prime in my life and make my addiction to the site even greater

 

I'm glad you brought this up because whenever I see someone criticizing Geordi and his treatment of Scotty, I get a little annoyed. Scotty is out of time (Hince why the episode is called Relics) and Geordi is chief engineer of the flagship in the 24th century. The whole reason why this criticism is a thing is because Scotty appeared in the original series. Realistically, he was just in the way and I was really happy TNG covered it that way. Also, the ended up working really well together and Scotty got one of the Enterprise-D's shuttles. I think that's good respect to a legend. I have the same gripe when DS9 bends over backwards trying to worship Kirk in Trials and Tribble-ations.

 

"Gene's Vision" is one of the most nauseating things about Star Trek and the convention scene. I actually cringe every time it's brought up when I go to Vegas. With that said, I rank Picard last when it comes to my ranking of favorite series mainly because of how depressing it was and how bloodthirsty it was. To me it didn't really feel like the kind of Star Trek I would like, but I do plan to rewatch the series (Minus maybe episode 5) so my opinion could maybe change.

 

I'll take your word for it.
And seriously it's just laughable. I mean I understand not liking stuff, I don't like Picard myself and Disc is not my favourite, but why can't they just say they don't like it instead of inventing a silly reason like "gEnE's ViSiOn"?

 

In my experience saying you don't like it for other reasons sees you branded as a toxic fan.

 

I have to head out the door momentarily, but I don't think you're a toxic fan.

 

I'm very sure that happens, so I 100% believe you.
But I remember when I detailed my personal reasons for not liking Picard I felt that it was generally accepted by other posters.

 

I think it’s hilarious the way people have an almost religiously idealised idea of what GENE’S VISION actually was. I read Gene’s novelisation of TMP last picture and let’s just say, a large part of Gene’s vision boils down to sex. If all the incarnations of Trek were fully true to Gene’s vision, we’d have a whole lot more nakedness and boobies in particular, as well as ‘love instructors’ (they must be part of CANON cos Gene said so!) crew members having sex in public parts of the ship, Kirk getting boners on the bridge, etc etc. Frankly I’d be all for it. But it’s funny how people tend to cherry pick elements of Gene’s vision and forget the bits they aren’t so keen on. Trek fans are hilarious, I love us. Don’t ever change.

 

Discovery is starting to feel like a teen/family drama.

A new father who has just had a bunch of teens thrown at him to look after. Is unsure of himself and is trying his best to muddle through it.

A shy teen and her reluctant older mentor.

A teen with poor impulse control and who has found new love after being badly hurt.

The outsider who has never known what a real family is like and is reluctantly warming to it whilst simultaneously pushing against it.

Lots of crying and tantrums.

At this point in the season I'd be more interested in what a day in the life of Admiral Vance is like than anything going on with the discovery crew.

 

Absolutely happens all the time. Look at other social media forums and it’s amazingly prevalent.

That’s not correct. Being an ass about things they don’t like and insulting the intelligence / dedication / tastes / etc of those who think differently gets them labeled that way, as well as taking personal shots at the creative team. There’s a huge difference.

 

There are all kinds of things to look out for, when spotting a Toxic Fan. None of it has anything to do with a particular series... or even a particular franchise. All of it has to do with a set of attitudes and behaviors.

 

I know that's where they're supposed to be, but it's very much not where they actually are:

 

I'd be down with a hornier StarFleet life style.

 

Okay, I stand corrected.
That's really weird!

 

I don't think Threshold is as terrible as everyone says it is.

It's absolutely not one of the highlights and the concept is utterly preposterous, but, I find it to be a totally watchable episode from start to finish. It's not one I ever revisit, but, if it automatically played in my queue, I wouldn't turn it off either.

 

Enterprise season 4, while having some good episodes, is weaker than season 3 and probably on par with season 2. While Branon and Braga needed to leave, Manny Coto wasn't actually very good at the job, either. between Terra Prime and the augments stuff cloggingbup the season, I much prefer season 3. Also, having so many multi-part episodes really hurt season 4.

 

Big time disagree, in fact I think having the 2-3 episode arc in Enterprise S4 was the perfect way to go and should be the template for “Strange New Worlds.”

You can still do stand alone bottle episodes in the TOS/TNG mode and then flip to do basically a mini movie. The problem is with probably only 13-15 episodes, doing something like that more than once would be tough.