What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. cooleddie74

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    NOW we're getting controversial. ;)
     
  2. Captain Crow

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    I don't care for the version of the ST:TOS theme with the vocalization.

    The sudden key change at the end of it sounds like the singer sat on a hat pin.
     
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  3. Orphalesion

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    Oh god, I hate the vocalising. Who thougth that was a good idea?
    And yeah the key change makes you wonder whether the singer is a Kaseelian prima donna.
     
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  4. Oddish

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    I'll go along with that. My top themes...
    1. Voyager.
    2. Lower Decks.
    3. DS9.

    No lousy vocals. No easy listening. Just a nice orchestral score.
     
  5. Lord Garth

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    Controversial Opinion (because this is a Star Trek board):

    Classic Timeline --> The mid-23rd Century looks like TOS.
    Prime Timeline --> The mid-23rd Century looks like early-DSC and SNW.
    Kelvin Timeline --> The Abrams Films

    Most of Star Trek can happen in the Classic and Prime Timelines with little-to-no difference.
     
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  6. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    I love Discovery’s opening, but yes Voyager is my favorite.
     
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  7. Orphalesion

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    Yeah gotta admit the Voyager theme sounded freaking epic.
     
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  8. cooleddie74

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    Some people here need faith of the heart.
     
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  9. Nyotarules

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    He knew more than McCoy on Vulcan medicine. Why McCoy was hired as CMO (cough, cough, nepotism) I will never understand why.
     
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    Works well enough.
     
  11. ScottJ85

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    Those grey uniforms from Into Darkness with the peaked caps looked kind of cool.
     
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  12. ananta

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    Ok this might be controversial, but I don’t think the Voyager theme is particularly good. I find it rather bland, much like the series itself. I love Jerry Goldsmith immensely, I still find it hard to believe he’d compose such a tame, prosaic and forgettable theme. It’s pretty but it really lacks teeth.
     
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  13. ScottJ85

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    You've just perfectly described my main gripe with Voyager - it feels formulaic, like someone had a checklist of Trek elements to a committee that just went through and made sure all the boxes were ticked.
     
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  14. Qonundrum

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    TOS-R is far worse. The snare drum that comes up right on cue is louder and even pompous and the vocalization is over the top. The original is half-hokey but is far more even and flowing.
     
  15. Tuskin38

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    Is saying Voyager is a bad series a controversial opinion?
     
  16. RichT

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    More controversial opinions:

    • The Star Trek: Generations Overture (as the soundtrack CD calls it) is the very finest piece of Star Trek theme music ever written.

    Deep Space 9's theme tune is superior to Voyager's (at least before they went all "Chariots of Fire" with it from season four on).

    Deep Space 9's final series is a crushing disappointment after seasons four through six being some of the best episodic TV sci-fi ever written. The Dominion snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because The Plot Requires It, Dukat completes his descent from complex and fascinating character to two-dimensional fundamentalist lunatic, and Ezri is unbearable.

    • The USS Voyager is the most well-designed, consistently thought-through starship in the whole of Star Trek. The USS Defiant is one of the most badly-designed, inconsistently thought-through starships. How big is it again? Where are its impulse engines? Did they get bored after designing the front half and give up on the back half?
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    Geordi had the right to chew out Scotty when he was bothering him too much and trying to take personal control over Geordi's own engine room. I'll always like Scotty a lot more than I probably ever will Geordi as a character but 2369 Scotty freed from a transporter buffer and thinking he can school another Enterprise's chief engineer when there's 75 additional years of engineering development to first absorb was an obnoxious pain in the ass.
     
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  18. FormerLurker

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    I want to hear the season 1-3 DS9 theme performed on a Uillean Pipe. That would be cool.
     
  19. Mytran

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    Not that I disagree with your main assertion, but the Defiant's impulse engines really aren't one of its problems:
    http://www.scalemodelling.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ΣΤΑΤΙΚΟΣ-ΜΟΝΤΕΛΙΣΜΟΣ-Τεύχος-10-560x340.jpg
     
  20. Lord Garth

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    Controversial Opinion: If you like Star Trek II-VI and the later seasons of DS9, please don't hide behind "Gene's Vision" when complaining about DSC and PIC. Tell us why you really don't like those shows. The characters, the writers, the style, fine. But don't say "Gene's Vision". Unless you're somehow prepared to explain how "In the Pale Moonlight" or "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" is Gene's Vision. Or how TUC is his Vision; when after seeing a screening of the film (two days before he died), he called up his lawyer to try to get 15 minutes of footage removed from the film. If you can explain those, then I'm all ears.
     
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