2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis

Still nope.

 

I was looking at the capsules. Yeah the Amish Wagons are meant to be primitive, I’m some Amish communities they don’t even allow bicycles because they are considered machines. So the Amish example does not count.

 

I'll bet the materials still are improved over the original design. Some things are just an apex design and the only changes are miniscule, improvements in materials.

Also, the design presented came about in Rome as early as 500 BC while the Amish didn't start until 1693. I think we might be close to 900 years between the two, but I'm terrible at math.

Some things don't change that much, even over 900 years. And that's OK.

 

no shit, sherlock. A Roman carpentum like this would have been common in the late republic. So more like 2000 years. I could offer other examples but they would sail right over your head. Much like kites do, which have not changed significantly in over 1800 years.

 

Oh, this is becoming difficult to read now. Surely you're aware horse and cart were the primary means of travel up until 19th century. They have been used for many centuries. You have an issue with Discovery, that's fine, you have a right to an opinion, but let's not try to rewrite large swathes of human history to try to make a point about a ship model that isn't even exactly the same. Now, can we please stop pretending?

A roman horse and cart from 1800 years ago.



A horse and cart from 150 years ago

 

He'll keep going too. It's his thing.

 

I think it's funny that Voyager ships (and background aliens!) showed up in Enterprise (200 years before AND on the other side of the galaxy AND used by different aliens!) and nobody cared, but an indistinct smudge being a reused shuttle is an abomination.

And a saloon is ultimate proof of modern Trek being Star Wars. Or something.

 

Yeah, you see it a lot with the nit-picky stuff aimed at DSC. Most of it leads me thinking ‘you must hate a lot of Star Trek then...’ because most often it’s just stuff that’s happened before and quite regularly. Truth is, some people just don’t want to like DSC and they look for reasons to validate that view. That’s their prerogative, but it’s not really to do with the show at that point. If we go into it pixel-peeping at models but don’t have our enjoyment of other shows lessened by the same things, it’s about bias rather than any actual issue. If you come out of ‘The Hope is You’ having seen a scene that’s so hopeful, so fundamentally Star Trek, and you’re left thinking ‘yeah, but now somebody pointed those four smudged pixels have a resemblance to something else, so fuck Kurtzman and fuck Discovery’ then honestly, you’re the one missing out. You’re doing it to yourself and your enjoyment.

Thank goodness some of these channels weren’t around back in the day.

 

I can't believe anyone would compare the level of details attained by a franchise that has Billion Dollar movies and the budget to go along with it to a streaming show made from home. Wow.

 

I'm pretty sure people cared. People still care, I saw a reddit post referring to the Dauntless in "Azati Prime" earlier today. People have just moved on and there were less people watching at the time. Other people just have short memories. Every Trek show has had people rip into it. I bet people were complaining about the scale of Tsiolkovsky to Enterprise-D in "The Naked Now" and the reuse of the Grissom model AND the blatant ripoff of an original Star Trek episode. People were probably crapping on Star Trek 5 and it's 78 decks. Enterprise and JJ's films got absolutely eviscerated. Now people have just pointed their hate at the next new thing that's come along.

 

probably?!

In any case, one can point out “wrong” details even in works they like...I mean, one of my favorite movies is TWoK and I’ll be the first to say that the whole genesis thing doesn’t make sense.

 

And that's perfectly fine. Honestly, I too sometimes like to point out the things that don't make sense even though I'm a fan. It just gets old to point out every "wrong" thing in a show to try to say how it isn't good, when past shows all have their own "wrong" things.

 

Yeah it's amazing how instead of making a boring '80s style drama show or '80s style sitcom "in space"; Alex kurtzman wants to return Star Trek to what made it fun, enjoyable, and interesting to watch in the first place. The less preaching we get from a 50-plus year old man the better.

 

This is my feelings very strongly. I know it often gets accused of "what about-ism" but this is part of Trek and it isn't going to change until making productions are able to do so without the stress of production schedules and deadlines and rendering times.

And pointing out details may be a part of Trek, but my feelings is there needs to be a balance. If all I see is the nitpicking then it comes across as unloving, unkind, and hatred towards the show.

 

Trek was doing "Westerns" before Star Wars was just a gleam in Lucas' eye.

 

At least a decade. "The Cage(TOS)" was written and filmed in 1964 and the first draft script of Star Wars was completed in May of 1974. Gene had George beaten by a good ten years.

 

If one considers the Byzantium Empire as the Roman Empire, it has been 567 years since this empire existed.

 

I honestly (no joke) think the shuttle design re-use is the creative team’s way of good-natured fan trolling.

And it’s working nicely.

 

Problem is, you have 30,000 members here. Probably several hundred that are regulars. So you have a lot of people posting a lot of thoughts. Part of being a large community.