Discovery or Andromeda?

Also similar to the proposed animated series Star Trek: The Final Frontier

http://www.startrekff.com/history/

 

From the 'racist' article link:

^^^
That RIGHT THERE is a racist statement.

 

^"Liking" that message doesn't quite seem like the proper response, but I'll give it a "Yeah..."

 

And Doctor Who did it in the early 70s, with various Pertwee stories showing the rise, peak and eventual collapse of the Earth Empire over a 700 year period. Like you say, old history that writers like to reference.

 

Those unimaginative 1990s movie writing hacks. Couldn't think up their own concept to make their movie about. They had to go and steal a tornado straight from The Wizard of Oz. Modern day cinema is did and it all started in 1996 with the lazy plagiarism that is Twister.

 

You can be DoomDong, I'll be Noon's Edge.

 

As long as it's post- "Ouroboros" "Andromeda," and not the atrocious firsttfirst season that the "true fans" think is brilliant for Q knows what reason, then it's fine by me.

So if the Discovery ends up meeting sapient suns and warships with split personalities, I'm more than game! But if they take aboard a talking pile of bat droppings that fancies itself a religious advisor, or start trying to pass off Party Store Gorillas as the most terrifying threat to the galaxy, then I'm out.

 

Give the show another shot, with an open mind. I found that the first season was nothing but the blandest cliches, but mid season 2, it suddenly became its own show, bringing in concepts I've never seen in any other sci-fi series.

I almost never got that far, because I'd heard the mantra and thought "if this first season is the 'best' I don't want to know how it can manage to get worse!" But I gave the "evil" later seasons a shot, and the show is now one of my favorites. The later seasons had some of the most creative and surreal concepts I've seen in sci-fi. And Rommie and Trance are among the most fascinating characters in science fiction, IMO.

How many other people will miss the best that show has to offer, because of all the "fans" who probably haven't even watched it in a decade.

It's like if the loudest parts of "Star Trek: Voyager's" fan base was warning everyone to stay away from the post-Kes episodes, and hailing the Kazon as "the scariest villains in all of television!"

 

Okay, I see what you mean. I think the fourth season of Voyager, Seven's first, was the best.

Then the next time I go back to it, I'll start with the middle of the second season and decide for myself. Otherwise, if I go the way I did it before, I'll never make it up to that point.

What I say about Kevin Sorbo still stands. But, on the other hand, I'm not too thrilled with William Shatner lately either. But I mentally separate Kirk from the actor who played him. I can do the same with Dylan Hunt while watching.

 

I thought the Magog were pretty good villains. Did they live up to the potential they had? No, but that's just about the same with everything with Andromeda.

The Magog, from the neat name to how they reproduced, were a terrifying enemy. They were like an organic Borg. Also there was a bit of xenomorph vibe thrown in as well. I also liked the Nietzscheans, absent the stupid bone claws in their arms. Stargate: Atlantis's Wraith remind me of the Magog, and they did have bigger budgets-I think-and explored the Wraith more in depth. However, they didn't have the same kind of menace the Magog had. That reminded me of how just mentioning the Borg was a scary thing on TNG until "Descent" perhaps and also was still that way on VOY until after "Scorpion."

With a better budget and writing, Andromeda could've been really special and perhaps a series looked back on more fondly than it appears to be now.

Compared to Discovery thus far I think Andromeda had more a interesting set up, aliens, to some extent characters, and enemies-on paper. Also feel that way about Andromeda vs. Picard. I definitely think the worldbuilding was there for it over both Discovery and Picard.

 

I remember when Andromeda premiered around the same time Voyager returned for its final season. I tried to watch it, but it just felt so low budget compared to VOY, so I was like.... pass. I'm happy to see Discovery do the concept where it was originally intended as, a Star Trek spin-off.

 

Speaking of budgets and differences...

 

Wow I forgot how bad the opening of Andromeda was. I don't care how you look at it but as soon as they say 10,000 ships; and he's not trying to escape or leave the battlefield and reunite with whatever high guard fleet exists...

 

Andromeda obviously.

 

Only have one episode but I'm leaning towards Discovery. Andromeda never got me interested and it feels even worse now in 2020.

 

Finished watching episode 3 of Season 3. Pretty much copying Andromeda. In Andromeda they were looking for the Vedrans (founders of the Commonwealth). Here Starfleet HQ.

 

Agreed. That's another connection b/w the two series.

There are so many similar plots, I wish we would've heard Burnham saying this line as intro monologue for each S3 episodes:

"The long night has come. The United Federation of Planets, the greatest civilization in history, has fallen. Now one ship, one crew, have vowed to drive back the night and rekindle the light of the Federation. On the starship Discovery... hope lives again!!"