New Short Trek: The Trouble With Edward

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by eschaton, Oct 8, 2019.

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How Would You Rate The Trouble With Edward?

Poll closed Nov 11, 2019.
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  1. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Do we think this planet was the first to experience General Order 15?
     
  2. Airmandan

    Airmandan Captain Captain

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    So given that we've got the Strange New Worlds series on the way, do you think we'll see more of Captain Lucero?
     
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  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    I hope so.
     
  4. NCC-73515

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    I hope not :crazy:
     
  5. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I truly hope so. I would like to have a little bit more added on to the Short Treks inside the larger world.
     
  6. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    She was OK for a short, but too much like a corporate manager in that meeting for my tastes.
     
  7. Charles Phipps

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    I feel like what they were going for is that she's used to everyone being fun, happy, and go-get em like on the Enterprise. Edward just rattles off increasingly horrifying details and more revelations that he's a Mad Scientist. So she keeps trying to avoid conflict and it makes things worse.

    Really, it's a shame Section 31 didn't scoop him up as they would have loved him. Tribble warfare.
     
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  8. Ar-Pharazon

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    For all we know, S31 has him. We don't know he got eaten.
     
  9. Charles Phipps

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    I hope for a Lower Decks episode where he has a Tribble mind-control helmet and is sustained by the fact eating tribbles grants immortality.
     
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  10. Ar-Pharazon

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    and if not S31....
    Edward Pakleds 3a.jpg
     
  11. Charles Phipps

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    Random thought on the popularity of Edward:

    Is there a reason Trek fandom is fond of a guy who does cruel and inhumane animal experiments? I thought people who performed those were generally considered dicks in RL.
     
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  12. NCC-73515

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    ...and a way too bossy boss XD
     
  13. Qonundrum

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    Or better yet, he's a part of section 31. That might make the escapade more interesting than shallow.

    Or maybe he isn't.

    But both he and this captain are both examples of one dimensional caricatures, as parody. It's just badly scripted parody. SF Debris breaks down so many more details than what I was I'd picked up on - and there are plenty to go around even with the overlap, though his bringing up the clique was the pinnacle, but I digress - but it's suffice to say both these characters are more alike than different. Not in the same ways, but the parallels still have a common underpinning theme. It's a good thing the captain survives to tell her side of the story, or what she says of it and it's about a pursuit as hollow as it gets.

    At the same time, looking past what's not working in this vignette, it's also true she's not exactly 100% wrong. Of course, neither is Edward. There's more going on than showcasing two extreme personality types. The short trek is summed up simply as being the mirror universe opposite of "Hollow Pursuits". SF Debris claimed the episode lacks enough material for its time, which is true for the comedic aspect but I'd say the script writers could have done a better job with their ideas after deciding if they should play it straight or ham it up. I can see why they're aiming at comedy but a lot of it doesn't work. And there's a good story in this vignette trying to squeeze its way out but being stuck within too many limitations.

    If nothing else, the parody of the cereal commercial at the end gets everything perfectly right. If the vignette took itself seriously then following up with the commercial, would the commercial be perceived the same way? (Possibly; the setup and references work from the first moment the fade-in completes and I'm sure modern day cereal commercials are just as corny too.)
     
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  14. fireproof78

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    Same reason why people like Deadpool, Dukat, Garek and the like. There is something weirdly attractive about people who run by their own rules.
     
  15. F. King Daniel

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    BUMP! Got the Short Treks DVD and finally rewatched this one. I LOVED it so much. One of the best Short Treks of all, and deserving of more love in general.

    And yes the continuity doesn't fit with Enterprise and in TOS they needed to eat in order to reproduce but here they just randomly shoot out babies, which is impossible. But I don't care.
     
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  16. Charles Phipps

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    Clearly Edward modified it with the psychic abilities to summon matter from another dimension.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    Doesn't McCoy say tribbles are born pregnant?
     
  18. thribs

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    Yes but they need energy from food to actually perform the act of procreating
     
  19. Ray Hardgrit

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    It contradicts so much that the whole thing seems to be about as canon as the Tribbles advert at the end, but it's still a great episode and it'd be cool to see Captain Lucero again in SNW.
     
  20. thribs

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    If she’s still captain. She lost her ship to Tribbles. :)
     
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