What can the Star Trek movies learn from the recent Star Wars films?

What to learn from the Star Wars films: Don't make the movie that trys to meet fan expectations.


And, also, don't make the movie that tries to go against fan expectations.

 

This is actually great. Find a good writer and producer and let them tell their story. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

I don't think the JJ movies have the same issues because it is essentially an entirely new timeline and Star Trek isn't as popular anyway.

That said, I think it is really important to be careful when you introduce new stuff. I don't wanna see Star Trek ships using warp to ram into things and causing untold destruction, just stay consistent. The Star Wars movies lost me at the exact moment that warp speed ram happened, but I was already bored after Rogue One.

 

That was something I've wanted to see since I understood what warp speed was. So a good 30 years. Loved that moment in Last Jedi.

In Trek Riker attempted the same in "Best of Both Worlds" but they were trapped in a Borg holding beam, so it remains to be seen what effect it would have in the Trekverse.

 

I'd hope nothing significant, because then it opens the question of why not load up a Miranda class and ram it into a Borg cube instead of sacrificing all these people and ships. Which was a big issue in The Last Jedi, why not ram the Death Star? It betrays everything that has gone on before. I hate when movies aren't consistent between themselves.

 

It was a one in a million shot.

 

Disclaimer: I'm not taking this very seriously.

Presumably the Rebellion didn't have any ships significant enough on-hand that ramming them into the Death Star could guarantee catastrophic damage.

In TLJ the Big Bad Ship is significantly damaged by the collision, but the ship doesn't immediately explode or such. In RotJ the Death Star survives a collision from a Super Star Destroyer, albeit at sublight speeds.

TL;DR, even FTL ramming in Star Wars doesn't seem to be a guarantee that you'll take out your enemy as well as you'd like to.

 

Indeed. And if we talk Trek and the Borg you end up in a BOBW situation where you build it all up and it fizzles.

 

I haven't seen the new movie, but my friend said this is how they explained it away.

For me, I just think it is an example of a creator not respecting established lore or thinking about long term consequences of tech, which I always hate and takes me out of the movies.

 

Pretty much how many things are in Star Wars.

ETA: Ok, that above response came across as a little more flippant than I meant it to. Yes, it was handwaved away but that is unfortunately a part of Star Wars, and really has been since ROTJ and Leia being Luke's sister.

Ultimately, I don't find it that world breaking but mileage will definitely vary on this point. The "one in a million" line makes sense in the context of the scene in terms of the First Order's position, relative lack of defensive measures towards the Resistance fleet, and the physical size between the Raddus and the Supremacy. I don't you can do that with just anything.

But, again, that's me.

 

Nothing Star Trek is better!!!

 

They've both got lessons for the other.

1. Avoid J.J.
2. Stick to T.V.