Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 28, 2020.

?

Rate 1x07 Nepenthe

  1. 10 - Wild Beard Riker

    109 vote(s)
    36.8%
  2. 9

    95 vote(s)
    32.1%
  3. 8

    53 vote(s)
    17.9%
  4. 7

    21 vote(s)
    7.1%
  5. 6

    7 vote(s)
    2.4%
  6. 5 - Full Beard Riker

    2 vote(s)
    0.7%
  7. 4

    4 vote(s)
    1.4%
  8. 3

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  9. 2

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  10. 1 - Season 1 Riker

    3 vote(s)
    1.0%
  1. Nightdiamond

    Nightdiamond Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Location:
    California
    I get that vibe too. It's actually, surprisingly, pretty effective, but I think they risked overdoing it a bit with Hugh and Evan thing. A little too drawn out. It was still pretty good.


    Jurati as a mole is also pretty interesting. But she has to do something about her guilt and get better soon. She's putting me off my dinner. Gross :ack:
     
  2. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Location:
    JirinPanthosa
    My prediction: The Tal Shiar gives the order to round up everybody Picard met briefly between 2364 and 2370 and shoot them.

    I liked Troi’s perspective on Soji in this ep and how Riker and Troi are uniquely able to call Picard on his crap without being hostile.

    It looks like Un and the TS genuinely believe they are preventing a catastrophe. Which begs the question, what makes them so sure? And are they right? Is it a tie in to Disco season 2? Or an unrelated AI apocalypse?

    It looks like they are going in the direction of calling Picard’s idealism more into the question where he is forced to consider whether it’s a “Needs of the many” situation were the rights of the victimized individual finally aren’t the most important thing. He’s already gotten like twenty people killed to defend this one life.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2020
    Bad Thoughts likes this.
  3. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Location:
    JirinPanthosa
    I was going to make a similar 24 joke.

    These deaths give me more a 24 vibe than GoT vibe. In GoT even with the number of deaths none of them felt like they were doing them purely for the sake of an emotional gut punch.
     
    iarann, Hythlodeus and StewMc like this.
  4. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2019
    Location:
    Federation
    They literally cut by a knife my emotional connection with the show.
     
  5. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA USA
    Oh my goodness, I loved this episode!
     
    Hythlodeus and KennyB like this.
  6. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2014
    About rogue AI, it is not the AI which frightens me. It is the programmers who programmed the AI.

    Hugh's death was not believable in the 24th century. Even in our day, we can save someone who has been injured in the neck. It has to be a pretty well catastrophic injury in the neck for someone to die.

    Well, next week, we will get something of an explanation of what Oh transmitted to Jurati.
     
    SJGardner likes this.
  7. Wetworth

    Wetworth Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2016
    Location:
    Ohio
    Anyone one else wants a series of Picard/the Rikers/ Soji just doing monster if the week type episodes?
     
    WillsBabe likes this.
  8. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    I was thinking the same thing when I watched the trailer for next week, definitely some of the old Picard coming through in that scene with Jurati.

    [/QUOTE]

    Irumodic syndrome is alzheimers in SPAAAAAAAAACE
     
  9. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    There was quite a gush when Hugh released his hand, so looks like an artery got nicked. It's not like Elnor was carrying a medkit and also they were on the run from Romulans on a borg cube that had been locked down. Where was Elnor going to get medical assistance from?
     
    Gilora, Nyotarules, Greg Cox and 12 others like this.
  10. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    DaveyNY from Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    I'm pretty sure Elnor doesn't have the knowledge to accomplish that.
    And he was the only one there.

    Nin'jd
     
  11. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2010
    Nor does he have the medical equipment
     
    Lord Hobbers, Gonzo, KennyB and 4 others like this.
  12. Mygia

    Mygia Ensign Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2020
    I really loved this episode, but I'm sceptical if it can provide that much joy to people who don't have these deep emotional ties with TNG and its crew. Maybe watching it a second time will allow for a more plot based review, not just nostalgia.
     
  13. unimatrix7

    unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2001
    Location:
    Australia
    This was just lovely. Warm, gentle, confident. Troi and Riker have never been written or performed so well, and Picard started to feel like he'd taken another step towards the Picard I remember. Kestra was a revelation.

    I love Elnor. Going head to head with Rizzo was good fun, and the action nicely choreographed. Activating the Fenris SOS made me grin, and I can't wait to see the wacky hijinx Elnor and Seven get up to next episode. In an interview, Evan Evagora said his mum is a huge sci-fi fan, and was ecstatic when she found out he'd be working with Jeri Ryan.

    I don't care if I sound like a soppy fanboy, but I think PIC is now essential Star Trek viewing. Pure magic.
     
    TV's Frank, iarann, Gonzo and 2 others like this.
  14. Lord Hobbers

    Lord Hobbers Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2019
    The showrunners have said that both TAS and Lower Decks are canon.

    But, to put it another way, all the exterior shots of the ships and space are CGI, which is basically just an advanced cartoon. So do they not count either?
     
    Kzinti, iarann, DaveyNY and 1 other person like this.
  15. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Location:
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    All that time on Nepenthe and not once did anyone say "quaff." :(

    Well, this episode certainly had its ups and downs. How wonderful it was to see Picard reunited with Riker and Toi, but this business of killing off a character just to impress the teenagers in the audience has got to be the most moronic trope of all time.

    The circumstances of Will and Deanna's life twenty years later are not what I expected, and I'm still kind of mulling it all over. I wonder how the writers came to write them into this scenario. It's an unusual situation for this type of show, but certainly a situation that a lot of people experience, so it makes me wonder if it's a fictionalized version of somebody connected to the show. But it was sad and sweet and felt like more than a few real-life reunions that I've had. Kestra was certainly a likeable kid. The thing with the languages seemed a little too specific to be random, as did the references to Captain Crandall. It seems likely that both will be important later. Even moreso is the detail that their son died because there were no positronic matrices available after the AI ban-- this makes the Federation seem even more callous if they even outlawed medical applications.

    The Riker homestead also left me with a few questions. Such as, if this planet has medicinal properties, why aren't there more people there? And if access is limited, why are the Rikers still allowed to live there after their son died, rather than make room for somebody else with a sick kid? Maybe they just got suckered by a persuasive real estate agent and there's nothing special about the planet at all.

    Meanwhile, back on the cube, Hugh the XB, one of the most promising characters on the show was killed, just to convince us that anybody can die at any time. Because that's one of the hallmarks of a great story. And wasn't it lucky that Elfwich just happened to find a Fenris medic alert tag while hiding in a random corner of the Borg cube. Where did that come from?

    And then, somewhere out in the final frontier, Agnes has realized that the smarmy Romulan is able to track their ship because of a Chocks chewable tracking device given to her by Commodore Oh back on Earth-- right after the Commodore took off her Ray-Bans long enough to implant apocalyptic images of a synth uprising into her brain. Where did those images come from? They didn't seem like anything that actually happened in real life, so I'm thinking Oh just kind of implanted her own psychotic paranoia into the woman. But, after coming to the realization that she was putting her comrades in danger, Agnes did what any rational person would do and attempted suicide. Because killing yourself disables the trackers in your body. Of course, this was after we got to watch her puke all over the floor a couple of times. It cracks me up that this show will use the word "fuck" freely, share graphic images of eyeballs being torn out in a gory mess, and give us all the vomit that can fit in an actor's mouth-- but then cop out on the nude scene back at the Riker Ranch. It also amused me to see Raffi almost lose her lunch while calling on the Emergency Hospitality Hologram. :lol:

    In sum, we finally got the big reunion that we were waiting for, but it was slightly mitigated by a pointless death of a promising character. We got some backstory filled in for Agnes, which didn't really add up. We got some foreshadowing of further involvement by the Riker family and their friend Captain Crandall. Also a couple of nice moments from the crew of La Sirena as they try gamely to stack up (loved Rios' mad dash for the comatose Agnes and Raffi's comment about being the wreckage of a good person). And there it stands for now.
     
    ThreeEdgedSword likes this.
  16. trash80

    trash80 Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Location:
    UK
    "Is that blood?"
    "Red velvet" :lol:
     
    Nyotarules and Seven of Five like this.
  17. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2019
    Location:
    Federation
    I'm here for spoilers to ep 7 because I hesitate to watch it. Did they leave open the door for Hugh possible return or shut it completely? What' is 'Fenris medic alert tag'?
     
  18. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2017
    So are Exogorths a thing now in Star Trek? If so I want to see one eat a Borg Cube. :)
     
  19. ThreeEdgedSword

    ThreeEdgedSword Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2020
    Location:
    Sheer Fucking Hubris
    Well, to me it seems he really died, but you never know with Trek. Time travel, Borg nanoprobes... Nevertheless, I assume he stays dead. It wasn't a particularly graphic scene, like Icheb.

    Elnor conveniently found a Fenris alling card plastic thingie (like the one Seven gave Picard) on the cub, just dangling in front of him.
     
  20. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Location:
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    I don't think the return of Hugh is completely out of the question, since he's a Borg and he's probably still got nanoprobes in him. But they played it as a death scene.

    The "Fenris Medic Alert" was one of those little emergency notification things that Seven gave to Picard-- possibly the same one, if he lost it on the cube and Elfwich just happened to come across it while fleeing randomly. He used it to send an emergency signal to the Fenris Rangers.