because that was around the time they started their marketing campaign. ridiculously late. I don't think that was ever done before or after. I really can't blame anyone except whoever was in charge of the marketing for the disappointing box office results. I have friends, life long Trek fans, who a month after the movie came out, they didn't even know it existed. That was just awful
Not really, PIC's creators said PIC is not a sequel to TNG... https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/29/star-trek-picard-next-generation-not-a-sequel/ That, or it's just their wording to say "this won't have the same feel of TNG" (which is something of a given) since some characters are referring to established events, thus making it a sequel.
I joined TrekBBS around that time and Berman Trek was really on its last legs. Back then there was a lot of criticism for Berman and Braga, and a lot more rivalry between TNG and DS9 too. I thought the writing on ENT was uninspired and I didn't think Scott Bakula was a convincing Captain. Someone on here referred to Archer as "Kirk's childhood zero". TheGodThing said he should have been the ship's punching bag instead of its Captain. Now that the man is gone and that era is over fans can look back with nostalgia and forget how uninspired Trek was back around 2002. (Notwithstanding both Nemesis and ENT have their fans.) Berman had a good run but his time was up well over 20 years ago.
Honey, I liked this routine a whooooooole lot more when @Stewey did it 20 years before Also, if you didn't want to start a conversation, why post this on a message board?
Exactly. Hell, back when Enterprise was on the bubble, we were begging for something like this so that the show would be able to sidestep most of the studio mandated like the ones UPN forced on the show (is, fanservice, the Temporal Cold War to keep the insertion into other parts of Trek as an option). This last episode was able to run an additional nine minutes to fill the story, something that isn't possible for a network selling ads. Not all Trek appeals to all fans, but I can't believe anyone who lived through the Berman era can say with a straight face that either series on CBS is that much worse than anything in the 80s or 90s. And especially comparing first seasons? No contest there.
I think we're about the same age I got into Trek with Enterprise and when I found this place, the Voyager bashing was in full swing. People were especially critical of Robert Beltran for being this franchise's John Boyega and taking the piss at every opportunity. Knowing what I know of Rick Berman's pettiness, he was right and should say it Anyway, I think both series suffered for airing so close to one another. I think no one who'd sat through Voyager was gonna give ENT a fair shake and new ENT fans got poisoned out the gate about Voyager. Both shows seem to have built up their respective reps over the past decade and with some distance....and of course, new blood that wasn't around for The Discourse(tm).
Is Stewey still around? If not I hope he doesn’t come back. I don’t think I can handle those long multi-paragraphs rants again.
... so two movies with pretty dark storylines, a lot of action, and a horrible torture scene with worms in one and Borg related body horror in the other, vs two episodes who are relatively introspective, feature pretty much no action (and one off screen death in one and the off screen death of a planet full of people in the other), one which is profoundly melancholy and one which is dark and shocking in the main characters final decision. And apparently Star Trek fans like both. It's almost like we have the capacity to like things in degrees, or with nuance. And that we don't mind the darker things in our Star Trek.
I didn't know you were gone for that long. Which is all that much more bizarre considering I almost never take a break from this tire fire.
Sorry but I have to take exception to this: Disney LFL relegated the notably talented Boyega from being one of the sequel trilogy "big three" with awesome potential - not only for character progression and backstory, but also to potentially being Force sensitive - down to "token slapstick comedy black janitor". Furthermore, they downplayed his involvement in a vain attempt to better appeal to the China market. He has every right to throw shade at those incompetent, racist white assholes. Beltran, on the other hand... I do have sympathy for some of the dumbass storylines he was handed, but frankly he wishes he had a tenth of Boyega's talent. Why else do you think he stayed on for seven years instead of moving on to get "better roles"?