Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 14, 2020.

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  1. 10 - Seven? I give this a TEN!

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  1. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

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    TNG's evolved humanity annoyed the hell out of me. It was good there was no internet back then because I'd have been one of the annoying hate watchers.
     
  2. Discofan

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    When Picard told Data that he should have left the (20th century) people dead instead of reviving them, I didn't think that was very evolved of him.:rolleyes:

    What prick would say something like that!!!
     
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  3. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    I was surprised to find, early on hanging around these parts, that there was a distinct subset of fandom who originally loved TOS, loved DS9, held their noses at TNG.
     
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  4. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    I try not to hold that episode too much against TNG for production reality reasons--it could have used a polishing that it wasn't allowed to have because of the writers' strike.
     
  5. Gonzo

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    I wasn't around then but its probably because they felt that TNG tended to be a bit too holier than thou at times.

    It never really bothered me (I was a kid anyway) but the tone definitely changed in TNG from what went before.
     
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  6. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    They were already dead, what more could have happened to them?
     
  7. Discofan

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    We have a say in France: "Il faut de tout pour faire un monde"

    "It takes instances of everything to make a world."
     
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  8. Discofan

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    They weren't dead. As long as there are ways to revive someone, that person isn't dead and refusing them that treatment amounts to murder.
     
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  9. Gov Kodos

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    Pretty much my feeling. The moment I saw Wesley I wanted him dead. That and Riker giving commands on the bridge when the captain is sitting right there in charge. Time for for Riker to get a beating with the old chain of command was my reaction.
     
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  10. Gonzo

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    I do dimly recall the screams when we got the first look at the Captains chair which now had seats either side as well.

    Lots of moaning along the lines of "Led by committee rather than an actual leader."

    Wesley didn't bother me, I did find the first season to be a bit boring but it was necessary to properly set the scene for everything that came after.
     
  11. Cyrus

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    there was internet during TNG, it received plenty of hate from some TOS purists on the Usenet newsgroups. But there was no World Wide Web, so not everyone had internet access.
     
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  12. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    The comments over on Jammer's page are actually much more sensible that his review, on average. I'm not sure I've seen that hapoen before.
     
  13. eschaton

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    I actually agree with a lot of Jammer's points about the episode (I think it's the weakest episode to date, but not horrible), but the comment sections have become unreadable due to the hundreds of replies back and forth which are mostly about what "real Star Trek" rather than actually discussing the episode.

    The man needs to just set up a general discussion forum for his reviews, and shunt the off-topic stuff there.
     
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  14. Yanks

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    Not really. I'm more "bothered" that Maddox doesn't have a more prominent role.
     
  15. eschaton

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    As I said upthread, it's crazy to me that the "big reveal" we got from Maddox was basically stuff that we, as the viewers, knew already. It seems like he was a lone actor fumbling his way through things who hadn't put together many of the pieces himself yet. Meaning there was absolutely zero plot development in this episode - just more table setting.
     
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  16. DEWLine

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    Holding down that kind of day at Caltech job would be fair grounds for turning down a gig, if he'd been informed in the first place. But what happened, happened.
     
  17. DEWLine

    DEWLine Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Pretty sure that they don't, whether you refer to "college" as an American university or a Canadian trade school.
     
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  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    TNG wasn't seen as the definitive Star Trek since season 3 of DS9
     
  19. JLBTucker

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    Like when Picard treated regular people from the 20th century like they were war criminals or something. There was a house wife a stock broker and a country singer hardly the worst humanity has to offer
     
  20. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    I argue against that