Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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  1. Shon T'Hara

    Shon T'Hara Commander Red Shirt

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    Well, besides being prisoners who are given parole to take part in a top-secret mission, which leads them to become essential members of the crew.
     
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  2. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    I just finished watching the first episode. Even on a VHS tape, that Enterprise-D model looked like something from a videogame or even the CGI model that was used at the end of the “Star Trek Generations” trailer (as it flies through the CGI insignia).

    The only other major complaint that I have is that I wish they had shot and edited it in 1.66 or 1.78:1 rather than the 2.39:1 that it was presented in. To quote Jennot Swarcz, director of the 1985 “Santa Claus The Movie” (from the Anchor Bay audio commentary”), 2.39 is nothing more than “a slit” vs 1.66 or 1.78 which fill the majority of your screen.

    otherwise, a lot more interesting pilot episode than Discovery’s, and Dahj really grabbed my interest, whereas Discovery the characters are kind of “it’s the crew-have no idea why I should be interested in them”. It’s to bad that Dahj was killed in this episode.

    In some ways, this episode reminded me of the short story from the Myriad Universe Anthology, ‘Echoes and Refractions’ called “Brave New World” in which Data disappeared, but then reappeared years later, but in the intervening time a number of androids had been created.
     
  3. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    >30 new PAGES within less than half a day, wow XD

    I watch it first without interruptions, then again to pause and rewind scenes.

    The Romulans are (or at least were) in love with each other (Countdown).

    What's so silly about a truly secret service when the other major powers have one? Odo explained that well. Disco 31 was silly, they should have called it the SI instead.

    He didn't wanna live alone in this big house, always haunted by his brother's and nephew's deaths, and didn't care about making wine. The Romulans knew a similar plant, worked in a similar job before, and were saved by Picard. Was Vina a "fan surrogate" cause she cared about Pike and helped him? XD

    It's odd that none of the officers or guests at the Starfleet Museum recognized him. We know that the desk guy also asks for his name. You'd think at least some of them knew him from history lessons, his books, or his recent TV interview.

    They've been evacuating for 4 years already when the first wave of the new fleet was almost finished.

    It's like Silent Hill, which is based on Centralia!

    It was actually a good strategy to first show him unfinished/overdone, cause the final look could only be better. They seem to have improved the 10 Fwd scene more than the painting scene, though.

    A world trip doesn't visit all places in the whole world, unless you do it at Warp 10. Miss Universe still comes from only 1 planet. It's a simpler name than the official one, which is probably far longer but accurate.

    Mars has shipyard facilities on the ground as well.

    It only failed with B4 cause he was a less complex prototype. Data transferred the entirety of Lal into himself. Graves transferred apparently all of his personality and memories into Data. I'm sure Data is still around somewhere, maybe on a disk somewhere in Maddox' secret lab XD

    I also hope he returns! Continuing a S2 episode with the original actor so much later would be insanely cool.

    Alien has more horror than Terminator. Terminator has more action than Alien. Neither comparison bashes any of the two, but now you can't watch either anymore. :p

    Who?

    Why and since when are synths actually created in pairs? She sounded like they always are.

    I was planning to show my non-trekkie friends this show, but I'm afraid that not knowing anything about Data or B4 or the Romulan nova would make them feel like they're missing important background and it's "just for fans".

    He might appear in S2, let's hope the photons will finally be free!

    Her smile was very cute. I hope she returns.

    That was obviously covered up. It's on purpose.

    They're positronic fairy cakes with mint frosting.
     
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  4. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    Vina wasn't in service to Pike. She was in service to the Talosians.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    I do not enjoy either of those films.

    Also, it tells me nothing about the actual product. Just tell me about the show, not what it compares or doesn't compare to. That's not interesting to me.
     
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  6. Shon T'Hara

    Shon T'Hara Commander Red Shirt

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    I wouldn't call him active. According to IMDb, he's only done three roles in the last sixteen years, two of those being bit parts in a cop show, and the other a short film. His LinkedIn page comes up on Google, and that shows him teaching acting at a university, but it doesn't look like he's updated it for a while. He could definitely reprise the role, but at the same time, I wouldn't be shocked if the part got recast.
     
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  7. Terok Nor

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    Dahj was great. I hope her essence is also preserved somewhere like Data's and she can be brought back. It was only one episode but I was really rooting for her. Maybe Soji will be even better.
     
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  8. Alan Roi

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    James T Kirk and Jean Luc Picard are identical, by that measure.
     
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  9. Jayson1

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    The beauty of having him working at a shipyard is plenty of ships around to escape. My prediction they go all Michael Bay for one episode were we see Geordi seeing the explosions yell out "Oh Shit" and runs through the base as people all around him are screaming and yelling and afraid as walls are falling down and everything and he soon find himself outrunning a fire ball. He gets to the transporter room pushes a button and transports aboard a ship. He tries to start it up as he looks outside the window and see the base he was on explode. He gets it started just in time and pulls a lever and says something like 'I knew I should have stayed on the Enterprise" before the ship speeds off outrunning yet another fireball.


    Jason
     
  10. KennyB

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    Maybe he'll go Lethal Weapon and give us a "I'm getting too old for this shit".
     
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  11. Cake

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    I thought PIC plays in 2399 and the Romulan supernova was in 2387. So the Attack on Mars must have been before it.

    https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-...story-twist-with-a-new-short-treks-easter-egg
    So maybe even before 2386.

    Either way she was hardly over 20 when it happened, but talked like she had worked on androids quite a while before and like her life work just got destroyed with the ban on androids. It felt a bit off to me.
     
  12. TheMadCloner

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    Speaking as a Discovery fan, Picard's acting as a whole blows Discovery out of the water. Not only is Stewart the permanent Lorca/Pike character with gravitas, Briones is a significantly better actor than SMG imo. She's better able to elicit sympathy and she has this underlying vulnerability to her portrayal that is easily relatable. Pill's scene was great. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to find an acting performance in this episode that was even slightly off-kilter.

    My biggest complaints were some uneven pacing and stilted dialogue between Picard and Dahj, but other than that, it was a very strong opening episode.
     
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  13. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    Alison Pill's character could be a synthetic. That might explain why her age doesn't really match with the time frame. We don't know everything yet. Maddox seemed capable of anything back in the 1980s.
     
  14. TheMadCloner

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    Maybe he clandestinely created a wife for Data (Pill's character) and promised them both he would create children for them too. That would explain Jurati's reaction (which, btw, was acted incredibly well) when Picard revealed the existence of Dahj/Soji.
     
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  15. Crewman6

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    My mistake, I thought the interview scene established that they were commemorating the 10th anniversary of the supernova, but that's not actually in there. They just say "anniversary."

    It's a slight stretch due to Pill's age. but if it was 14 years prior, which I think is the correct number, you can still buy that Jurati was maybe a student at Daystrom at the time. And she could certainly be at least a few years older than the actress playing her (though she actually looks a few years younger than her age.)

    It's a bit of a stretch, but they probably just cast the actress they liked and realized that quibbling too much about dates doesn't matter all that much.
     
  16. pst

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    i think this is the first time i’ve clicked “excellent”.
     
  17. Shon T'Hara

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    The youngest captain in Starfleet and an old dude on his second command?
     
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  18. Jayson1

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    So I wonder if someone will bring up Data's mom? She could still be alive and she is a functioning android even if she doesn't know it. The actress is also good and seeing her meet in essence her granddaughter could be a very good moment.

    Jason
     
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  19. STR

    STR Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    They're bringing back Hugh from "Descent". It would be *really* weird if Lore wasn't brought up at that point. Plus, they've already made a big deal out of requiring a "pair" of minds to work whatever positronic magic required for artificial intelligence. Maybe that's the secret: Lore and Data were constructed simultaneous using twin-tech. Not sure what relevance that would have on the story though.

    I'm also not sure if scenery-chewing Spiner-as-Lore gels with the grounded tone they've set. That's the one strike against that idea.
     
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  20. Beckerjr

    Beckerjr Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think Pill having a pretty young looking face makes it odd looking for some watchers to think her character is in that position with that level of experience.