Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)

It's kind of incredible how unintentionally prescient Oliver's "I have to become something else" turned out to be.

 

Except it's probably a case of the writers choosing to give him a fate that fit that phrase. "Hey, guys, wouldn't it be cool if we ended the series with Oliver literally becoming something else? Like, the guy that people can turn into when they die and who also happens to have a green hood?" "Oh, wow, that'd be so perfect! It'd look like we planned it that way all along! Let's do that!"

 

That's also true of course. For the people that do want to have these things working neatly, it's a very nice solution.

 

..well...

 

They probably blew most of the budget on getting all of the people for the cameos.

 

I wonder, across all the various universes of TV and film SF/fantasy, how many thousands of times has the fate of the world/universe been decided in a rock quarry?

 

Too many.

 

"I had to become someone else. I had to become something else" is pretty much a daily statement in our kitchen.

 

I'm still not sure what to make of Oliver as some sort of super-entity.... Then again, I know nothing about Spectre, so perhaps it actually works very well. Unfortunately, I have to wait a week longer since the episodes won't come online on Netflix untill a week after the US release.

 

On shows like Dr Who - every other week.

 

"The Dawn of Time?" Wow -- it's not just the fate of the universe being decided in a quarry, it's the universe beginning in a quarry!

 

I find the whole concept very weird. If there is a quarry, that means that space/time, matter and energy have already been created. In other words, the universe has already been created to have a quarry in it. So how could the quarry be the birth place of the universe? I guess we'll find out in the episode. Maybe the quarry is a manifestation of some "place" that exists before time? Or maybe the quarry is part of some proto-universe from which the Monitor or Anti-Monitor created the Multiverse? It still feels very weird and silly to me.

 

No weirder than a giant hand.

If you think about it mythologically or symbolically, it kind of makes sense -- a quarry is a source of material for constructing things. Maybe this is the form that the Paragons' minds give to it so that it's comprehensible to them, like with the Q Continuum in Voyager.

Then again, since God is literally real in the DC Multiverse (as confirmed in Constantine and Lucifer), maybe this is literally God's Quarry of Creation or something. Hephaestus has a forge, so why not?

 

That's what I am going with.

 

I admit, the fact that they're going to the Dawn of Time makes me worry that they're going to merge the Earths after all, that the solution will be to reboot history from the start and have it become a single merged universe. But at the same time, it seems clear that they have to restore the ongoing non-Arrowverse timelines like Titans and Lucifer as separate realities -- especially Lucifer, since implicitly Lucifer's scene here was before the start of his series. So they can't merge all the universes into one; at most it would just be some of them. But then, why bother merging them at all? I hope they don't, but I'm getting less confident about it.

 

What if the dawn of time is simply when/where they must be to kickstart the multiverse back into existence?

 

Some series have their existing plots still running, so that hints a couple of shows will not change that much.

 

HOLY SHIT Ezra Miller Flash!

 

Spoiler: Just in case

Ezra Miller Flash!