baby yoda is not a mary sue. Baby Yoda used the force once.. and was unconscious for maybe days. Rey used the Force to lift three tons of CGI rocks.. after having destroyed three TIES with one shot from a huge turret she had never used before, having just escaped from a heavily damaged but fully manned star destroyer, having just faught with a dark side user over a lightsaber, having just faught a few elite guards, having just been tossed around by Snoke, having just fought Luke Skywalker, having only just picked lightsaber two days before, yet she did not seem at all tired.
Stop. Please? Just stop. This is exhausting. You’re entitled to your opinion. But it’s a broken record. We get it: You don’t like the sequels. You think Kathleen Kennedy is the root of all evil. You believe Rey is a Mary Sue. We’re not going to change your opinion. You’re not going to change ours. Just stop. PLEASE!
Somewhat. I did quote you just to build further on the point. Can the first character who did it be called a Mary Sue, though? I mean, I've taken that term to mean something like "pretender to the throne," so to speak. Luke wasn't a pretender. He was the original. The first. Mary Sues are tag-alongs or Johnny Come Latelys. Technically, a Mary Sue (it seems the definition has morphed a bit) was initially meant to be a criticism about fan fiction characters. People like us here would write our own episodes and insert ourselves into the action. This character would be smarter and faster and better than the hero(es) and would save the day. Kirsty Alley wrote her on fan fiction as a child where she was Spock's daughter. That is an example of an original Mary Sue. I found Diane Carey's Star Trek novels to be Mary Sue stories that actually were professionally printed. Oh, I do not see Rey as an agenda if I'm understanding your point of view correctly. I don't honestly know how I feel about her as a character, but I'm not seeing her as an agenda. I'm seeing her as a product of the current movie making mindset and I'm letting my disappointment in Episodes VII & VIII (and I - III) to color my opinion of the character. I think these movies and the characters were just thrown together with the idea of "wouldn't it be cool if this and then that..." I see these movies being written as incomplete and that one must/needs to read the supplemental books and comics and such in order to fully flesh out the characters and stories. I'm disappointed by the seeming (to me) creative mindset that these movies needed to be made with enough holes so that the tie-ins become mandatory. The movies feel incomplete. And this feeling has jaundiced me toward Rey and Finn.
I think we have fleshed out characters and stories in the sequel trilogy. At least as much as is possible in a pair of two hour films. Plus, we all have to remember, this isn't over yet. We still have one more movie, at least, to go.
Look, I'm a baby, ok? I'm just a little Yoda and I get tired out easily. Rey is an adult, who has been living by her wits and her skill since she was a small child. She doesn't have a cool Mandalorian protecting her. I'm sure when I get to be a hundred or so, I'll have matured to the point where lifting a hornbeast is nothing. In the meantime, got any fruit gummies? Or some bone broth? I'm hungry.
Well, my days of taking you seriously are gone. Same old arguments, with nothing substantial behind them.
As far as Rey goes, I believe the Force helped her survive on Jakku. Starting the moment she was abandoned. Much like it helped young Anakin be the bestest pod racing pilot, and Luke being able to bust Womp rats in his T-16. Their ability to touch the Force was there long before any training.
100% this. It is also completely consistent with what Obi-Wan tells Luke to do with the remote, with what Qui-Gon tells Anakin to do with the pod. "Remember a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through them." "Stretch out with your feelings." "This time let go of your conscious self and act on instinct." "Feel. Don't think. Use your instincts."
They've been shot down over and over. How many more times do you need them shot down? Hell of a strategy, keep repeating invalid points over and over again until people quit responding, then declare victory.
What has been shot down? My last post i just retold what happened Rey did all those things. I made up nothing
No one suggested you did. But your complaints about them have been shot down time and again. AND you're proving my point of a broken record. MOVE. ON.
How about a nice Crunchy Frog? Now I did consider that and it's a good point. A Force sensitive individual unconsciously tapping into the Force in moments of need. Like Rey jumping chasms when exploring crashed star destroyers. Occasional moments I can accept. Luke with the womprats or threading the stone needle, Annakin pod racing (I guess destroying the Trade Federation ship too, but let's not go there...). I can handle that. I just can't handle how much Rey was the focus of the Force and had full control, especially in implanting thoughts in Stormtrooper Bond's head. I have a hard time with Kylo Ren too. But that's for other reasons.