Joker Origin Story Announced

And yet here we are - a movie that's going to make more than BvS did, without Batman.

 

Just shows you how weird the world is today.

 

And be more profitable.

 

It would certainly explain

Spoiler: spoiler

why Thomas is such an asshole in this film. A movie told from the POV of the Joker would certainly cast Thomas - and all the rest of the good guys - as badly as possible. And the Joker is the ultimate "unreliable narrator" of all.

 

Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?

 

The world has always been crazy. Normal is about as real as a flat earth. Jason

 

"Joker" is kind of a dog's breakfast.

I'm enough of a sociopath, though, that I will buy the first ticket that goes on sale for a movie where Joaquin Phoenix's Joker kicks Batman's ass.

Motherfucker has it coming.

 

Thomas Wayne is an asshole in this movie because he is a stand-in for Donald Trump. Duh.

 

I have heard how they might do a Joker like movie for Lex Luthor. Not sure the best aproach but maybe combine Trumps ego and boadness with Obama's intelligence and humor. I could see a human Clark Kent who isn't a alien being a alt right news reporter who wants to bring him down just for ratings. Who is also battling a #METO scandal with Lois Lane. Jason

 

I can't really see DC letting someone go that far with one of their most significant characters.
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like they turned Thomas Wayne into an asshole, and they could get away with that because in the main universe his whole role is to get killed, and the most significant alternate version is a bad guy. Nobody really cares that much really cares enough about him to mind that characterization.
But doing that kind of thing to someone as significant as Superman is a whole other story.

 

I understand the critique that Joker is ultimately a hollow film. I don't think I'd go that far, but I see where that's coming from.

The story doesn't know what it wants to be. The script spends a lot of time trying to build a manipulative, dishonest kind of empathy for Fleck as we watch provocation and brutality putatively drive him to homicidal madness while simutaneously portraying him as a kind of robot doomed since childhood. He was so fucked up by abuse and concomitant brain damage that "society's" only real culpability here is no more than cutting off the supply of medications that keeps him from becoming murderous.

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier, but what about that quick shot of young Bruce sliding down the bat-pole? I recognized it immediately but no one seated near me seemed to.

 

Yeah, we laughed at that - the corniest moment in the movie. Do you suppose Phillips was consciously diminishing Bruce Wayne by framing him in terms of that particular incarnation?

I was going to deduct five points if the butler's name was used in that scene. A tiny moment of fan service that Phillips resisted.

 

Too bad. I couldn't stomach his "interpretation" of the character and wouldn't have bothered with a two hour character study on it.

 

We have that for Lex Luthor. It’s called Smallville.

 

Too bad. Phoenix's Joker sounds more interesting that Leto's...unique interpretation.

 

I felt betrayed by Leto's movie being made.

 

I didn't mind Leto's Joker. It was a unique take and of course will look worse by being in the middle of Ledger and Phoenix and we being to hard because the movie sucked and his crazy method acting stunts didn't help. Jason

 

Leto is the rebound Joker before we all moved on to our next proper Joker.

 

My problem with the film is that I can’t buy Arthur Fleck as the Joker. I can buy that he killed some people while wearing clown makeup, but I can’t buy him become a supervillain. He just doesn’t have the skills. Other than banging his head into things, name one thing this guy is actually good at.