Reactions to the Kelvinverse Enterprise

My reaction to the Kelvinverse is that it took care to honour what came before. Getting Nimoy on board was wonderful. He didn't need the money and turned down Generations because he thought the script was poor. I like the design asthetic more than DSC - which doesn't feel like Trek design to me. The redesign of everything, from the ships to the Klingons and other races in the Kelvinverse is more like an update of the 60's look and feel to me.

As a fan, I had some minor gripes - like the ship being constructed on earth. But they were trivial issues to me.

 

Aall of the things about the 1701 I didn't like are addressed in the 1701-A; yet I'm still not satisfied.

My biggest complaint about the 1701 were that the nacelles were too close to the saucer section and to each other. With the A, now I feel like they are TOO far apart.

 

I love the 09-Beyond Enterprise, inside and out. It felt like how I always imagined the original ship... a behemoth, with endless corridors and a massive engine underneath the main engineering control room with vast pipes and stuff.

I loved how the interiors felt varied and different, from the bridge (shinny 23rd century tech) to the engineering section which felt dangerous and massive.

As for the exterior, it has a much more cohesive aesthetic than the Disco John Eaves Enterprise.

 

I didn’t like it at first but it grew on me pretty quickly. It looks better in motion.

 

I always had the usual problems with it that other people seemed to have - oversized nacelles that are too close together etc. I also found some of the details 'over styled' - especially some of the lighting on the side of the nacelles.

But... the overall effect was quite pleasing, despite it faults, it somehow became more than the sum of it's parts. I didn't care for the elongated impulse engines from the end of STID, and I think the Beyond redesign was also very hit and miss and looked too spindly from some angles.

 

When I saw the movie in theater, I wasn't into Star Trek at all, and I thought it looked great. It was futuristic and slick. Looking at it now, I still think it looks futuristic and slick, but very over the top. And now I think it's way too large, and the big empty spaces inside don't make much sense. You'd think that on a starship, all space would be at a premium, as well as all energy.

 

ST 2009/ Into Darkness
Fairly good, nacelles are too close to each other.

Beyond
1701 - Worse, they pushed the pylons backwards. Overall, it's still okay, I love that shot when the ship traverses the nebula, it looks incredibly majestic.

Spoiler

1701-A - Awesome. Definitely the best Enterprise-A, and perhaps the best variant of all, about on par with DSC-1701.

 

If the hype is to be believed then this is a post-scarcity world were resources are less constraining than in our own world. Despite common parlance, starships are not submarines in space. Comfort is also a premium for being in space for an extended period of time.

 

comfy

 

Ah, I see...one selects where they actually work, vs. having space for crew quarters and recreation. That makes sense...?

 

Still not seeing the issue...

Maybe my nerd street cred isn't up to date

 

You'll just have to work on it

 

Probably so.

Until then, I don't see the space in the Enterprise as a problem. Open spaces are beneficial to human well being, and Starfleet is capable of producing large starships with little concern of resources. So, "space as a premium" probably doesn't apply to future spaceship design.

 

what big empty spaces? i saw lots of big spaces, but they were full of machinery. which makes sense to me.

 

I can think of numerous examples in the TV shows where it does. They don't have unlimited power for heat and oxygen, and whatever else huge chasms would cause to drain.

But besides that, the ship is just incomprehensibly large. It's almost on the star wars scale(which is limitless). All the other hero ships are pretty well laid out, and they all have had deck plans created for them, whether by fans, or by the actual ship designers. Even the Enterprise from TNG, which was the largest hero ship prior to 2009, has two different very well thought out deck plans, one of which was created by Rick Sternbach. The NX-01 was also very well thought out and lent itself well to possibly the best deck plans yet created at http://waxingmoondesign.com/NX01DeckPlanMainPage.html

Then there's the Enterprise D virtual projects, the virtual Voyager project, various virtual TOS projects. All these other ships are comprehensible and at a more readable and relatable scale. The Kelvin Enterprise also was designed at a reasonable scale, then simply doubled in size during production. As far as I know, there is really nothing out there, fan made or otherwise, that delves into how this ship is laid out. The only thing I've seen is a promotional cross section where they simply stuff the ginormous engineering sets into the ship.

 

What do you need other than these?
Michael Wiley's cutaway:

The official cutaway from Popular Mechanics:

How are these any different from the ones for the other Enterprises?



All looks the same to me

 

That would happen regardless because... plot.

I don't see the ship as any different as the original ENT or the ENT-D, which, to my mind, is incomprehensibly large. But, it still works.

 

He forgot to put any toilets anywhere near Ten Forward. "Well thought out" by someone who I don't think gets out much

(For what it's worth, Franz Joseph Schnaubelt and Lora Johnson put toilets next to the rec lounges and rec rooms of the 1701 and 1701-refit in their plans)