You’re certainly in the minority, and people might be critical of some positions you hold, but that doesn’t mean you’re not welcome, or that people will automatically jump on you. I used to be holiness Pentecostal. Nowadays, I am lunar pagan, but I still know plenty of good hearted people who are Christians.
I second Amaris To me it seems that the whole point of this thread is to be not just tolerant (Latin tolerare = to endure) towards different opinions but rather to accept and treat them as equal to one's own opinion. Disagreements and discussions are a part of this process but ought to be matter-of-fact and respectful. As I see it: so long as the existence of any deities can't be proven, their nonexistence can't be proven either and so everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own believes as long as they don't physically hurt others.
Note to @Odona Kirk: That should read "not" in the minority. I accidentally a word. I'm generally respectful unless someone's using their faith to beat people up (even then, when I get angry and say harsh words, it cuts me almost as bad as it does them and I feel like I lose pieces of my soul when I am angry at someone). I think it's why so many people are gun shy around fundamentalist Christians. In general, people who hold those beliefs aren't likely bad folks, but the LGBTQIA+ community has taken a beating from them for a long time. It took me a while to get out from under that mindset, and it's because I had kind people who were willing to listen and then counter my beliefs, and they did it through empathy, which is a surefire way to get my attention. You can discuss it logically all the live long day and I'll be respectful but likely unaffected, but hit me where other people hurt, and I'm listening very closely. I think it's why I've moved away from "tolerating" others, and because of what you say here. I don't want to tolerate or be tolerated, I want to love and be loved. It's not enough to be seen and untouched, I want to be welcomed.
They also rewrite the optics for some of these emotions so they are now good and in service of the lawd. Wrath is okay if it's a righteous anger. Same with hatred, it's okay to just be seething with hatred against "sin" as long as you hastily add you still love the sinner. Envy is repackaged by prosperity doctrine to be yearning after all the blessings god supposedly wants to give you. Pride, I don't think this one one gets tacked in any real way, I have seen plenty of pride in humility this one is easy to rewrite. It's not pride, it's giving all glory to the lawd for that stuff you did or own or said, you can just blather about yourself forever as long as you attach "the lord" to your sentences.
I am Buddhist but ... I want to explain to my fellow Buddhist that --- Buddha predicted all the way up to 2500 years into the future... well that period is over... we are on our own now.. I am not Buddha you are not Buddha and they are not the Buddha ... but in order to preserve peace I just bite my tongue and such.. thinking it is ok ... but without friends to share love with there is no love... --- I love the ideas set out by Buddha and all the monks since... it is all good.
Christians corner the market on concern trolling. And all of the above describes one of my ultra-religious cousins to a "t." Probably why I haven't had anything to do with her for years. It's tiresome to keep hearing, "You're going to Hell for (pick a trait.) I'm only saying this because I loooove you." Pull the other one. It has bells on it.
Even as an atheist, I gotta say, I really have a special liking for this musical. It's wonderful when someone can appreciate a different spin on the story. I honestly think someone should produce a large scale remake. The John Legend tv version didn't do much for me. It was alright, but the full breadth of a cinematic version that is maybe actually period appropriate, is long overdue imho.
I hang out sometimes with the Buddhists at the Ecumenical Center in my city. Cool bunch, especially a guy from Taiwan who was actually raised Buddhist.
I'm atheist, and worked on two separate productions of Jesus Christ Superstar, 20 years apart. There weren't many of us still around from the first production, but the guy who played Jesus the second time had played one of the apostles 20 years earlier (and still had an excellent singing voice). I was on the props crew the first time around, and ended up doing a few extra things, like making sure the blood capsules were properly filled at the right time (they don't work right if they're not at the right consistency), tying up Jesus before he's brought before Pilate, and reminding the absent-minded actor who was supposed to do the whipping in the "39 Lashes" scene that yes, this was the scene where he had to bring the whip onstage with him (nearly had to chase him into the wings one night when he swore it wasn't the right scene and I shoved it into his hands and said, "TAKE IT!"; later on, he came back down and sheepishly said, "You were right."). The Herod scene in our production had Herod dressed in a jogging suit while lounging in a hot tub, while his court simultaneously ate snack foods and exercised. At the end of it, Herod threw sponges from his tub at Jesus; this resulted in some of the sponges landing offstage in the audience, so every night some of the people in the audience would considerately come backstage to return a sponge they'd found, and "oh by the way, since I've brought back the sponge, I'd love to meet the actors who play Jesus/Judas/Mary Magdalene, etc...." and if the actors were available, we'd allow it. The kids absolutely loved going backstage and meeting the actors and dancers. The second time, I was more of a consultant (health issues prevented a more active part in the backstage crews). I helped the properties crew head with finding and designing period-appropriate props and set dressing items, and explained some of the historical reasons why some items were the way they were. She was curious as to how I knew this stuff, and I just explained that since some of the things about the play had confused me the first time I worked on it, I'd done a lot of reading in the meantime - the New Testament and a lot of history books, and taken a classical history course in college. I got an odd phone call from a friend who was on the costume crew. She'd been assigned to make the loincloth, and asked me, "How do I make one? What do they look like?" and that confused me a bit - she attended church regularly, so she must have seen plenty of crucifixes. But she said no, she didn't really remember any details, and they didn't give enough perspective to know how to make one for a real live person. So I explained that historically there were several different styles, but the one she wanted was basically a strip of cloth wrapped around the hips and tucked in. I told her to get the actor in for a fitting and get his input on what was comfortable and would allow him freedom of movement while being secure enough not to fall off in the middle of the scene. I knew this actor liked to be as authentic as possible, so I wasn't sure if he intended to wear modern underwear underneath (details learned from working with him years before on a different production when he decided on authenticity). I assured her that the actor had a professional attitude, was polite, and wouldn't be embarrassed during the fitting. There were some interesting differences between the two productions. The second one was much smaller, and while it was okay, it didn't pack the punch the first one did. That first production that I worked on in the spring of 1981 was one of the best times I've ever had. Just try to imagine about 100 people, cast and crew, working together for months to put this show on... and nearly all of us were high on nothing but a good time. It was so much fun, and over the years I've run into some of the people I worked with, and they remember it as being one of the most fun times they've had, too.
I am not sure. I voted agnostic, since I do believe that there is something bigger at work. I have no clue what that is. I was raised Catholic and considered myself a super lazy Catholic until the first report of sexual abuse. I read the findings and realized I was no longer a Catholic. I don't really give much thought to religion or spirituality. However, my dad died in June and that has definitely made me question a lot. At this point, those questions have not led me towards a religion, but I am still willing to explore those questions.
I don't have to imagine. I did a couple local community productions as a younger guy, back in the 90s. I was a rather hippie looking guy, & fit the bill pretty well, but also happen to have a solid theater singing voice, & performed a stellar Peter. Our production included the often omitted duet Could We Start Again Please, with Peter & Mary Magdalene. I imagine it's often omitted because it can land as a bit of a lull in the show, if done poorly, but ours was actually a highlight, because our singing was pretty engaging. It's one of the tunes in the show that doesn't play as a rock number. It's got real musical theater vibes to it, more like Webber's other shows We were always proud that our production included all the occasionally omitted numbers, like Then We Are Decided. Our Caiaphas was an outstanding base vocalist, who went on to play the part in many big productions, including Ten Neeley's final American tour. The guy who played Simon, the years I was there, went on to take on the Judas or Jesus roles over the later years' productions. It was a seasonal thing here in town for quite a long time But I left town for a while, & when I came back, they'd kind of lost their momentum. I don't think one's been done here in a few years now, which is a shame. I'd always regretted not getting a shot at Pilot, now that I'm older & more fitting to the part. I think it went away mostly because all those producers/directors from back in the day, who also played parts in the show, are old or deceased now Hell, the theater owner use to play Pilot, & he was too old then. He fell asleep somewhere in the bowels of the building one night & missed his cue for the trial. Caiaphas just started performing his lines... So needless to say, Caiaphas ordered the whipping that night They started casting other Pilot actors after that lol. I'm honestly rarely pleased with Pilot performances. Despite how good they are, guys constantly give what I believe to be the wrong interpretation of him. The show already has Jesus, arguably the most sympathetic character ever, & then the show's unique spin has sympathy for Judas too, & then even Mary has some sympathetic vibes. So many guys want to play Pilot like he's a sympathetic character too, but there's just no room for that imho Sure, maybe he doesn't really think Jesus deserves to get killed, but he will execute him. He's not sympathetic. He's the man, & the man does the ugly things, & in this show, he's more concerned with how history will remember him anyhow. The Pilot from The Passion of The Christ. THAT'S the guy. Let him sing the songs, but that's who he is. He may not be THE heavy for the show, but he ought to a heavy. That's how I'd play him anyway
Pilate was a soldier ordered to be a governor, and he gave the locals what they wanted. A politician who actually follows the wishes of his constituents is a guaranteed villain. Less because he's a heavy, than because people kinda suck.
this is a bit off-topic but do we by any chance have any people of the Jewish persuasion posting here? I have two questions about Jewish funeral rites: 1) we have a tiny jewish cemetry here and some people piled stones on top of the tombstones. I am familiar with that custom only from stupas in the Himalayans. Do Jews do that as well or is it something un-Jewish and the stones ought to be removed from the tombstones? While on the one hand the cemetry managers are glad some people apparently mind, on the other hand they are uncertain if that particular practice mightn't be a desecration. 2) Also, would flowers on the graves ok? Most pics I googled show only lawn, but I have found 2 where there are graves like Christian ones, only with ivy and other evergreens. Is it just a coincidence or are flowers frowned upon?