Is The Disney Company a hoarder that destroys our favorite franchises?

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  1. Qonundrum

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    Which is still in theme with his character arc since day one in some ways. The movie had some flaws (chiefly dispatching Snoke so quickly and with no buildup) but it's underrated in my book. Had Rian done TFA in tandem with Abrams, we'd probably be better off. No half-baked mystery boxes that we know would never get properly addressed if not at all, better villains (Benecio Del Toro was perfectly cast), Phasma being more than just Star Wars' version of Kenny who dies in every episode (as in TLJ her death isn't used as comic relief), no blatant copying (TLJ had some big homage but nothing stuck out as badly as TFA) Abrams is a first rate producer but he needs to have a co-writer and they'd nail every aspect. Like a certain Lucas/Spielbeg. Or Grant/Naylor.

    Hux might lose, and quickly, but it would be interesting if not fun to see. I can't see Kylo turning good. Was hoping Rey would turn evil and join him, but that would have been too novel and creative a curveball. :( But with taking big character risks, there's always a number in the audience that will hate it no matter what. Just like with what happened to Luke (whose demise is at least far more interesting, compelling, and of greater depth than what Captain Kirk got in "Generations".)

    It'd be sweet in IX to see Finn develop his light saber skills and show some growth. Not sure what made me think of that, but TFA wasn't without some worthy scenes and the brief confrontation between him and Ren was pretty worthwhile.
     
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  2. Masiral

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    Or maybe people just don't buy action figures at the grocery store? Don't forget, Amazon is a thing now.


    Wedge is the only person to survive both Death Star attacks. He literally fires one of the shots that destroys the second Death Star. Wedge is awesome.
     
  3. Awesome Possum

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    The toy market isn’t nearly what it used to be. They have to compete with tablets now, which is why so many toys have apps to connect to now.
     
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  4. Delta Geminorum

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    How long will it be before CGI eliminates the acting profession?

    Why did CBS put Star Trek behind a pay wall?
     
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  5. Professor Zoom

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    It won’t.
    At the very least you will need a performance to capture. And a voice to interpret the words.

    Because they wanted to attract an audience to help launch their streaming service. And, probably, because Star Trek might attract enough viewers on the network to make it cost effective
     
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  6. Greg Cox

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    Because CBS-AA needs STAR TREK. Regular network TV doesn't.

    The only reason we're getting new STAR TREK tv shows at all is because CBS needed something to attract people to its new streaming service. And it needed to be something they couldn't get elsewhere.

    CBS is not obliged to provide STAR TREK as a public service. :)
     
  7. Qonundrum

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    Computer apps are more interactive, that's for sure. Sadly, the tangible toys offer more imaginative flexibility than a program, even the choose your own adventure sort... and made crossovers easier. Dark Helmet had a tea party with Darth Vader and Clumsy Smurf... until someone makes an app for that...

    I hope the tablets' screens' backlighting don't emit too much UV. Remember those virtual reality devices from the 1990s with the big sticker and disclaimer stating prolonged use causes damage? But those were incandescent lamps... unless brightness is maxed out, it's like staring at a tree outdoors on a bright sunny day.

    Unsure. Technology is improving but the nuances for vocal inflation will still take longer to achieve. Never mind those movies where CGI spidey is swinging across the cityscape and it looks like CGI that takes you out of the movie far worse than Superman in front of a rear screen projector while being held up by translucent Kirby wires ever could.

    It's also a lot like saying robots will replace pet animals. Most people intrinsically know the difference between a mannequin and a real living thing. That's also why some sheep herders haven't used those new life size animatronic doll things that you can't bring home because you know the parents will reject it, unlike another human for which you really don't know until after they'd met...

    Possibly because sponsor ads alone were not enough to pay for it? (Season 1 was, what, $8-$10 million per episode?!) Yes, CBS-AA (not "AA") still has ads but there's an ad-free version that I recall... ads or direct payment, nothing is public - we inevitably pay for the sponsors' ads as a portion of product unit price goes into making the commercial for the TV show made and shown.
     
  8. theenglish

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    Are Star Trek reruns no longer playing on broadcast television? They are still available on Netflix, just not Discovery or any of the newer material.
     
  9. nutshell

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    Billions and billions of dollars of revenue suggest they aren’t destroying anything but your preconceived notions.
     
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  10. JD

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    I don't think I'd say they own the majority of them.
    Looking at the SFF movies in the Top 10 at the Box Office from 2014-today, there are quite a few not owned by Disney:

    2014
    Transformers: Age of Extinction
    The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
    The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
    Interstellar

    2015
    Jurrasic World
    Minions
    Spectre
    Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
    (OK I guess it could be argued Bond and Mission: Impossible aren't really sci-fi, but I think both feature enough crazy technology to qualify)
    The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2

    2016
    Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
    Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
    Suicide Squad

    2017
    Despicable Me 3
    Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
    Wolf Warrior 2
    Wonder Woman

    2018
    Jurrasic World: Fallen Kingdom
    Aquaman
    Venom (OK, this is a bit more complicated since it's a Marvel property, but the movie is produced by Sony)
    Mission: Impossible - Fallout
    Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald

    2019 so far
    The Wandering Earth
    How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
    Pokemon: Detective Pikachu

    That's just in movies, there are a lot of popular SFF TV shows not produced by Disney, and if we go into books and comics then both have hundreds or thousands of popular properties not own by Disney.
     
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  11. Owain Taggart

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    That's a great quote, and it also encapsulates why there needed to be a change in his character. Because in the end, Rey will learn from it.
     
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    It’s important for the audience too because everyone fails at one time or another. The trick is to learn from it and not spend the rest of your life dwelling on it.
     
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    Er...if you ignore that bit where he VERY MUCH tried to kill Vader and damn near succeeded.

    If he'd decided that, Ren would just be dead. He REALIZED what he was doing was wrong and backed off. That's all. It's better than how it went in ROTJ with Vader.

    No, he just wasn't a "Incorruptible can-do-no-wrong" Superman that OT fans were waiting for.
     
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  14. Beckerjr

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    The BBC channel shows TNG and Voyager episodes during the day. Also Netflix as you said and Amazon Prime have all the old shows and usually several of the movies the cycle out and back.
     
  15. JD

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    The digital network Heroes & Icons shows all of the Star Trek series, except The Animated Series, Sunday-Friday nights. They actually did show TAS when the first started, it was big deal because I believe it was first time in decades anybody had shown it, but have since stopped.
     
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  16. Awesome Possum

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    I’ve seen TOS on MeTV.
     
  17. ozzfloyd

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    The Wedge character was so popular he's a lead/co lead character in many, many of the EU novels.
     
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  18. JD

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    I'd say he's probably one of, if not the most popular supporting characters in the franchise.
     
  19. Campe

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    Wedge rules! So disappointed Denis Lawson turned down a role in TFA.
     
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  20. JD

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    Yeah, I'm still a little pissed he doesn't seem to be coming back for the Sequel Trilogy.