Open Speculation about "Star Trek: Picard"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Lord Garth, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    What then moves him forward in to the story?
     
  2. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm still not a fan of the show's title and the use of the original series font. Even though the series is focused on Jean-Luc, I would've hoped they came up with something a little more interesting than just PICARD. The title remained so hush-hush that everyone just started calling it PICARD and then when it was officially revealed to be just that, it was like, "Oh. Ok, then..."
     
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  3. ITDUDE

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    Well, you know every season of grapes are not quiet the same as any other. You have to keep a watch over them at all times. Sometimes it could be very stressful. He does have a legacy of centuries of family business to protect. It's not an easy job. I imagine he and his #1 bulldog friends are quiet busy.
     
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    Pun definitely intended ;)
    Someone poisoned his grapes! They have to pay for what they have done.
    Someone killed his dog (see the Jean Wick poster in other thread)!
    The possibilities are endless :D
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Not sure if serious...

    Regardless, it looks like the vineyard is central.
     
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    You better believe it!
     
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  7. ToyBoxComix

    ToyBoxComix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Did you notice the planet looming in the sky? That probably means something. Perhaps Picard will end up on some sort of star trek.
     
  8. ITDUDE

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    Why does it alway have to be star trek. Whatever happened about deep emotional trek to discover the true meaning of one self through deep meditation....... ah who do hell am I kidding ;)
     
  9. fireproof78

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    I'll try to pitch it to my producer about an emotional trek.
     
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  11. Rahul

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    No, you're not. The "perfect" Picard/TNG-continuation story would be a "get-the-band-back-together"-type of story, closest to "Space Cowboys". But that's not what we're getting. That being said - I'm happy they didn't "Lukye Skywalker" him entirely (give up on all his life and dreams, recluse himself entirely from all friends and civilisation, and completely and utterly fail in everything he had accomplished the previous movies and stories).

    He still has a dog, a "job", and is retired. Yes, not the "Happily ever after" that we hoped for. But not the stupid eraly 2000s/grim-dark version either. I'm fine with that.

     
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    I would 100% watch a show about an ageing wino Picard retelling a drunk history of The Next Generation
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Star Trek: Happily Ever After didn't test well ;)
     
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    I wonder if we'll see this ship in it, or if it's just scrapped concept art
    https://i.imgur.com/gfT1Xix.png

    I still wonder why George did that.
     
  15. Rahul

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    I mean, I know you're trying to be clever here - but it absolutely wasn't George Lucas that planned this. This is squarely on the shoulders of Disney, J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson.

    Yes, George Lucas' original script for episode 7 also included a secluded Luke Skywalker training a new, female Jedi (then called Kira). But one thing is for sure: Lucas haaates the new trilogy. And you can be 100% assured, he would NOT have included that stupid "First Order", nor would he have made episode VII a reboot of episode IV. Yes, in his pitch the Empire was still around - but they weren't curb-stomping the rebellion/new republic, and Luke not be a depressed and depressing complete failure, that wanted to murder his friends child, thereby destroying their marriage, and their political rebellion with it.

    George Lucas would never have done that. There's a difference if you're going hermite if the world at large is still in good hands. Or abandoning everyone and everything that ever mattered even at their very lowest point.

    Picard seems to get it right. Yes, he also seems secluded after personal failure. But he's not abandoning Starfleet when the Borg are just seconds away from destroying Earth and humanity, and putting his moping above his old friends and crew dying at the very same moment. And he's not entirely out of touch with civilisation either - he just retired. That's a difference. Hell, he's still even doing farm work!
     
  16. F. King Daniel

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    Is there a source for that, or is it Midnight's Edge lore?
     
  17. fireproof78

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    Source please, especially since he worked on Episode 9 with Abrams.

    I love working on things I hate. It's the best part of my job... :rolleyes:

    There is no "right" way to portray a person struggling with personal failure. Human beings will very in their reactions to failure.


    ETA: Yeah, a short little read of George Lucas Episode 7 search results demonstrates that Lucas planned to kill Luke in episode 9. Plus, he planned on exploring the entire world of the midichlorians and "The Whills." Microbiology meets Star Wars.
     
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  18. Rahul

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    Look, George Lucas said he felt like he sold Star Wars to "White Slavers", after Disney completely booted him and his concepts out before starting with episode 7. He even had to publicly apologize for that remark. The guy is pretty open about how he felt Disney CEO Bob Iger personally betrayed him - promising him future involvement, and instead completely kicked him out as soon as the ink was wet. His only comments on episode 7 was that he felt it was "too retro-throwback".
    https://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-george-lucas-disney-white-slavers-1201669959/
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/31/george-lucas-attacks-retro-star-wars-the-force-awakens
    He also described it as a bad break-up.


    Just FYI - John Favreau's "The Mandalorian"-show will be the very first time George Lucas actually has any involvement creatively with Star Wars since Disney bought it.

    As for George Lucas plans for episodes 7, 8, 9? There are plenty of interviews, essentially all boiling down to Disney immediately throwing all his ideas in the bin and starting anew. Here is Mark Hamill himself saying Disney should have stuck to George Lucas ideas instead:
    https://www.metro.us/entertainment/movies/mark-hamill-george-lucas-star-wars

    As far as direct criticism goes, he has commented episode seven was not his cup of tea, calling it too "retro" and "throwback", and as adding nothing new. Whereas the literally only thing about episode 8 he has said so far is that "it was beautifully made".
    https://mashable.com/2017/12/13/last-jedi-george-lucas-review/

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  19. fireproof78

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    Incorrect.

    Which makes taking the rest of what was written seriously highly difficult, since I have read multiple stories regarding Lucas' ideas of the ST. Fans would have complained about those too.
     
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  20. ITDUDE

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    It’s not a Star Trek thread if Star Wars isn’t brought up at some point :)
     
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