Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread

Yes.

So have I.

 

The continuity had always worked in a comic X sorta way. I've never had issues with it. I don't see any problems with cameo characters who reappear older/younger/whatever. It all works for me because it worked in various ways in the comics. I embrace it and love it.

And on another note, why did autocorrect just try to change the word "love" from my previous sentence to "Kinberg"?!? That prick is in league with The Google!

 

Let's see the evidence.

 

The only thing I could find was a First Class-era interview with Lauren Shuler Donner, where when asked if the new Emma Frost was the same person as the old Emma Frost, she said no. Funnily enough, she didn't say that the previous one wasn't Emma Frost, just that the FC one was a different person.

 

Disaster is putting it strongly, I think way too strongly. They've had some big disappointments and missed opportunities, I don't think particularly weaker than most other superhero film series.

 

The first X-Men film kicked off the modern superhero genre we are enjoying today.

X-Men, X2, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Deapool, Deadpool 2 and Logan range from good to great. You can't have a bad time with them.

X3, X-Men Origins, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix bring up the rear with okay to bad.

Add in two X-Men shows Legion and The Gifted. Legion is in it's third trippy but fun season. The Gifted was good in it's first season but less in it's second.

All in all, the X-Men have more victories than defeats.

 

The evidence is Origins: Wolverine [which only identifies the character as Emma (no last name is explicitly given for her, although logic dictates that it is Silverfox since she's Kayla's sister)], Lauren Shuler Donner's comments as referenced above, and X-Men First Class.

What else do you want?

 

In regards to mutants having similar powers, there's literally a random mutant at the climax of X3 who teleports/bamfs just like Nightcrawler did, so it was established early on in the franchise plenty of mutants have similar powers.

ie. the two Emmas, Warren Worthington III in X3 and "Angel" in Apocalypse who's never even referred to by name, only listed in the credits as Angel. And Azazel in First Class, who has Nightcrawler's exact powers and look but is just red (it's still annoying they never did anything with him & Mystique being Nightcrawler's mother, so I guess it's just a coincidence now)

 

X2 already did the "same powers" bit too, with Lady Deathstrike's healing factor.

 

Evidence that the "producers of the film and franchise" acually deny the existence of the trailer that called the character Emma Frost, as was alleged. ( Or equivalently that they admit the existence of the trailer but deny that it called her Emma Frost. )

So... there's a place somewhere in Origins where the action stops and the producers walk into frame to break the fourth wall and gaslight the audience by insisting the trailer never happened? I don't think so. If your objective is to prove that the producers deny the existence of a trailer, a movie can't be evidence. That makes no sense at all, because movies usually don't feature scenes where the producers tell the audience anything, much less that the trailer never happened.

Oh look, another movie. But does this one have a scene where the producers walk into the shot just to tell us, "Hey guys, the Origins trailer never happened, we now return you to the rest of First Class"?

No, oddly enough, it does not.

They don't say anything about the trailer, which you'd think they would need to do in order to deny the trailer's existence.

 

Trailers have scenes in them that are not in the final movies all the time. Trailer footage that's been cut or changed has never been canon. (Enterprise D was never in First Contact despite the first trailer, for one of a billion examples. I won't even bring up the recent Avengers trailers...). It should be common knowledge.

This can't be new to anybody. Unless you're 6 years old and it literally is new to you. Then my apologies.

 

The argument isn't about if the girl in Origins is "actually" Emma Frost in canon or anything like that, it's about if she ever was Emma Frost at all. And if anyone associated with the film ever denied her being Emma Frost prior to First Class happening.

 

Meh, this was okay. Not horrible but basically unmemorable and adding nothing new to the X-Mythos. Saw it a week ago and it’s already been totally overshone in my mind by Spider-man FFH.

Poor Sophie Turner - to star in one critically-mauled finale to a long-running series in the same summer is unfortunate but to star in two...

 

Ehhh....there were a lot of people who loved the Game of Thrones finale. But I don't want to argue the point here because it's all subjective.

I know I'm in the minority on this film but I'll say again that I really enjoyed it a lot.

 

^ I enjoyed it myself but most reviews I saw took the opposite view, as did many of the people I've spoken to.

 

Ha yeah I thought that, but apparently she's just got married so I doubt she's bothered right now.
(by the by but I don't know why you'd wanna get married at only 23, but hey ho)

 

Looks as though everyone's favorite 2019 X-Men movie is getting the Star Trek: Enterprise treatment.

 

I tend to be a completist. I have all of the other X-Men and Wolverine movies up to this point, even X3, Apocalypse and Origins. But I just can't bring myself to be enthusiastic about spending money on this one. Hopefully I'll find it on a bargain rack or used somewhere.

 

^ Given that Fox tended to sell their X-Men blu-rays around the $10 mark, while Disney almost never dips their MCU blu-rays under $20, I myself just picked up a Deadpool 2 disc only (in a slim plain jewel CD case) off of eBay for $5, shipping included, in case all X-blu rays get Disney-level prices from here on out. I already have X1/X2/FC/DoFP, so now I'm all set, thanks.

 

What the hell?