Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

So... the lord of light works in mysterious ways in order to stop the rise of the dark?

 

After a rewatch - yeah, deploying everyone out in the open like that was a phenomenal mistake. The Dothraki were annihilated in seconds. The only things that made a difference were the dragons. They spent too much time away from the battle because of the plan to protect Bran. But, even if they'd stayed committed to BBQing the dead, I still don't think it would have been enough. If there were more dragons, say... 20... yeah.

I don't think any conventional tactic would've prevailed -- and it obviously didn't in the end. I think the dead were well portrayed as a force of nature; I was reminded a bit of a tsunami. A very violent, very dead tsunami.

 

I think that the best defence would be to stay behind the castle walls but the army would have been too big for that to be possible. If thousands had to be outside than they should have been behind the trenches and there should have been as many archers as possible on the walls.

However their aim was to kill the Night King by luring him to Bran not to kill all the undead.

 

Very true. Well, let's say charging them head on like that was a complete waste of lives and resources. Didn't exactly go down like Return Of The King, did it?

 

Yep, just a poor military strategy. Use your mobile shock troops on an enemy that can't be shocked, and outnumbers your cavalry by a large factor. Don't use your air support early to soften up the enemy before the rush. no barriers out further, or fires/trenches to slow them down or at least illuminate what's going on. Could keep going, but yeah, Jon's not a military genius. Even at the end, figured he'd be trying to go out at least stabbing the undead dragon with his blade that could kill it, but no, just decided on suicide as his strategy. he was standing there giving up until Arya saved everyone. Even Theon managed a futile gesture, Jon just decided to die...

 

This is an interesting point--what was Jon thinking right before Arya did what she did? I don't even think he had a sword. If death was inevitable, then at least taking out the dragon would have been awesome, yet it didn't seem like that was happening.

That said, as a Targaryen, Jon might have been unburnt. They should have maybe had this tested right before Arya did her thing.

 

Let me repeat this so everyone understands it:
Fire Immunity is not a Targaryen trait. People have decided that because Dany is immune to fire, all Targaryens are likewise, which is a load of nonsensical crap.

Dany is immune to fire in the TV series because she's Dany, not because she's a Targaryen.

Ok, rant over.

 

A human being called "the Dragon" is impervious to fire. That shows the Dragon is the head of the Targaryen clan, thus the true heir to the Iron Throne. (So much for Jon Sand's illegal "annulment.")

 

Didn't Jon burn his hand pretty badly in one of the early seasons when he fought the first wight at Castle Black?

 

By Westerosi law and tradition, which mirrors the original tenets of British monarchical succession law, Jon's claim to the throne supersedes Dany's because of his gender. Dany being immune to fire has no bearing whatsoever on her place in the line of succession for the Iron Throne.

Having said that, however, Jon does not want the Iron Throne, which places Dany's claim on even footing, narratively speaking, with his in spite of her gender.

 

The Dragon is the head of the House Targaryen, which is what matters. The Iron Throne/Westeros is family property.

Original British law? As in, Alfred the Great? That is funny.

GRR Martin may have said the series was inspired by the Wars of the Rose, but it has zero resemblances. The Maurice Druon series about the French monarchy may be more relevant. And horror stories from the Renaissance, a la the various series about the Borgias, may have too.

 

Not really.

Only so long as a Targaryen dynastic line exists.

 

Magic powers are a sign from God, which are more important than human scraps of paper.

The producers don't take religious belief seriously despite the fact they wrote a series where everything is actually being orchestrated by the Lord of Light.That's stupid, and nobody is required to be stupid along with them. Dragons are fire made flesh, and they are indisputable signs of His favor. If Jon has any claim, it's resurrection...but that's penny a half dozen, no?

 

The supernatural elements of the show are there as flavor only. The core of the show is the individual character arcs.

 

Hmmm. So, you're saying that Jon is impervious to fire? Got it!

Excessive use of bolding is essentially the same as using ALL CAPS. Not good form.

 

Character arcs are important to us as viewers. However, the events of those arcs have been manipulated by the Lord of Light to defeat the Night King. For example, Jon died and wouldn't have been able to fulfill his part of the plan. Hence, the Lord of Light had him resurrected.

 

Jon's Targaryen blood was ultimately insignificant and meaningless to the Azor Ahai legends prophecies as presented by the television series because of the fact that Arya was the one to end the Great War.

What matters now is what happens once the Iron Throne is reclaimed, and I feel fairly confident that the series will ultimately end with Jon and Dany having a peaceful and intimate conversation amongst themselves as to which of them rules Westeros and which of them serves as consort.

 

He was also born first from the looks of it, so age and gender.

Succession wise, the primacy of Age is established by Joffrey, not his siblings, Gender is established by Tommen, not Myrcella

Of course might brings right, hence Baratheon taking over from the Mad King and the war of the five kings.

However did Jon relinquish any claim he had when he died? And who actually decides?

 

In the novels, Jon is older, but in the TV series, they are (apparently) the same age, but I believe Dany was born first.

 

Yeah, he did, which is why I've always been confused when people say Jon is immune to fire.

What's your source on this? I have never been able to find anything that definitively states which one is older.