Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

As for the "mispronounced" Klingon words, perhaps in this time era Klingons are all over the top sorts and Gowron was kinda hearkening back to them with his "Wooooorrrff, Son of Mooooogghh!" stuff?

 

Ah, but you see, I do my best to avoid these “popular” channels. You are in my orbit. And you consistently preach their content as gospel. You are a disciple to the altar of their content. If you’re going to preach, that means you take the reactions, good and bad and answer the criticisms that are leveled your way.

So, Kathy Kennedy is going to be fired the same day Disco is canceled. Gotcha.

 

This is all your imaginings.

I drew my own conclusions about the spinoff announcement, and I clearly explained why.

If the YT channels agree with me, that's fine. Shows they are smart and critical enough to not swallow corporate BS at face value.

Again, if you are feeling diminished by the popularity of those channels. Don't take it up with me. Feel free to post in their comments.

 

Perhaps you missed the part when sobbing Tilly first came into the room, where Michael was face down on her bed crying as well, over her teenage angst with her foster brother.
It really wasn't a stretch even for me to figure out..., and believe me when I tell you ... I was never, ever a teenage girl.

 

Not knowing what tears are = spore alien.

Got ya. Clear cut conclusion there.

 

Coming back to this...

Okay. Lifted directly from 1973's The World of Star Trek by David Gerrold...

Pages 32-33
Klingons are professional villains. They are nasty, vicious, brutal and merciless. They don't bathe regularly, they don't use deodorants or brush their teeth. They don't even visit their dentists twice a year. They sharpen their fangs by hand because they think pain is fun. They eat Blue Meanies for breakfast.

Think of the Mongol Hordes with spaceships and ray guns. To the Klingons, Genghis Khan was a phony and Attila the Hun was a fairy. And Hitler was only a beginner. Remember Ming of Mango from all those old Flash Gordon serials? Well, these are his descendants, selectively inbred for sheer awfulness.

A Klingon is a good person to invite to a rape -- or even a murder, providing it's your own. Klingons build their battlecruisers without toilets; it makes them nastier. Klingons pick on old ladies. Klingons fart in air locks. Klingons drop litter in the streets. Klingons pick their teeth in public. And those are their good points.

Klingons do all the things that men pretend they don't -- only Klingons are proud of it. The Klingons are perfect villains.

Pages 120-121
William Campbell appeared in two of STAR TREK's episodes: "The Squire of Gothos," in which he played Trelane, the penultimate spoiled brat, and "The Trouble with Tribbles," where he was seen as the oily Klingon, Captain Koloth.

As a result of that latter appearance, he almost became a STAR TREK regular. Gene Roddenberry had felt that Captain Kirk needed a regular adversary, a Klingon counterpart with whom he continually bumped heads. When Campbell was called for the part of Captain Koloth, this possibility was mentioned -- that he might be hired for as many as thirteen shows per season. "After 'The Trouble with Tribbles' was aired, I felt Wow, because I got such a response from playing the Klingon. Even the neighborhood kids teased my wife about being 'Mrs. Klingon.' People were writing to me about the part. And I thought to myself that whatever the makeup man had done to me must have been distinctive enough that this will go; this Captain of the Klingons will be a good adversary, a good part. Kirk needs him like Flash Gordon needs Ming of Mongo, or Dick Nixon needs Chou En Lai. They respect each other's abilities, even though they're still adversaries.

"I was really disappointed when the show wound down. The one great thing about STAR TREK was there was a marvelous lot of social content there. I could see why they felt they needed a continuing set of villains. I think it must have been very difficult for the writers of the individual episodes; the show had already gone for 52 episodes and each time they had come up with a completely different set of characters. A continuing villain could have solved a lot of problems -- and it could have given them some new story potentials. All the different conflicts with the Klingons could have been shown. All these elements could have been utilized.

"I didn't get into any of the other Klingon episodes, though, because the next time I was approached to do one, I was already involved with something else, so I couldn't do it. They had thought of the part as signing another contractee -- and of course, I would have done it for Roddenberry and Coon. Even though the part was a heavy, he was a good heavy, distinctive, you know. The other Klingon, his aide, was the nasty one, and I thought that was a good idea; it gave them depth."

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David Gerrold's 1973 description of the Klingons fits the Klingons in Discovery to a T. And the idea of a recurring Klingon adversary is apparently one that was entertained even back in the '60s, even though it never materialized. DSC is just realizing both of these ideas that were already there. Just like it's realizing Ralph McQuarrie's original design for what would later go on to become the USS Discovery.

DSC is following up on ideas from the '60s and '70s and developing its take on Star Trek based off that instead of what later came to be known in TNG. As someone who always preferred TOS over TNG, I appreciate them taking this approach.

 

Okay, well, I don’t buy any of that, particularly that you came up with any of this on your own, but whatever.

And I’m still waiting to know with your superior deductive reasoning when Kennedy is going to be fired. Stop deflecting. According to some of your posts, she should have been fired awhile ago.

 

With all the questions of pronunciation of tlhIingan Hol coming up, that coincides with something I've noticed re: the also-more-frequently-discussed Lt. Owosekun's surname: the "s", pronounced similarly to the Klingon "S". It makes me think there should be a diacritic over it. But which one?

 

Not able to read the thread this week.

I enjoyed it a great deal, it felt a lot like a season 1 episode which isn't a bad thing.

I liked the Klingon story more than I thought I would.

I do feel that Starfleet should have some training to cover what to if you think you have been possessed by an alien entity.

 

Heh ...
As usual, your Sane K'Teel negative thinking is forefront...

Tilly described in some detail, that she was seeing and talking to a TEENAGE FRIEND (now seemingly grown up), which started AFTER getting zapped by the asteroid, which was heavily connected to their intensive study of the Spore Network...
Logically, (which unlike you, Burnham relies on most of the time) it's not that great of a stretch to see the connection.

I've only watched it once so far at 3 in the morning after working 12 hours..., and apparently was paying a lot more attention than you did.

 

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I believe the issue was the asset wasn't ready in time for when the POST had to be completed to make the airdate. I believe we saw the actual D4 asset in the flashback sequences for ENT S2 - "Judgement".

 

Those were D5s, different design.

Ironically, the writer of Judgement wanted to use the D7, but Rick Berman, who wanted the K't'inga in Enterprise, said no and said to come up with a new design.

 

Actually, the D4 was rejected by the ENTERPRISE Producers because it didn't have enough "windows".
And that comes directly from John Eaves who worked on the show.
(and designed the D4)

 

Um, rewatch the episode as L'Rell in now the Mother Of Klingons as she said "Call me MOTHER!"
(Sorry couldn't resist the opening you left here.)

 

TrekYards (I know, I know) also just did an episode on the D4 with with VFX Supervisor Rob Bonchune and that came up.

The video also had some nice new renders of the D4 model.

This design lives on in STO as the 'Koro't'inga. The name is a combination of K't'inga, and a Klingon ship class from 'Phase II' called Koro.

 

7. Not bad, not great. As others have said, lacking in focus; it basically felt like a group of B-plots with no A-plot. Each one was fine on its own but they didn't really cohere. Good to see Disco experimenting with different things again, but I don't think this one panned out.

Had its moments, though. That throne room battle on Q'onos was something else, and the Section-31 stuff was pretty neat. If that show is going to be a Giorgiou and Tyler double-act, I think that'll be really cool.

 

In cursory Google searches, the very few non-STDisco references to the name Owosekun indicate that it comes from Nigeria, but the "s" has no diacritic (example).

If it did, perhaps it might use "ṣ" which occurs in the Yoruba language (source). But that spelling doesn't come up at all on Google.

Kor

 

Man, this is a big thread already. It will take me some time to get through this! Anyway, gave it a 7? I meant to give it an 8! Very much in agreement that this was the most DSC DSC has been. Agreeing with @Lord Garth, that this is an episode that highlights exactly what makes this series unique to itself. I always suggest Midnight when I have to pick a single episode of the Tenth Doctor's reign to highlight his tenure; A Point of Light would be like that to me. I think I'd give it a higher rating than that on a re-watch to be honest. I thought the pacing was a little slow at first, but it might be because I was expecting something much quicker after the last two episodes.

In all honesty, I thought they were going to go the safe route and stick with the action/adventure/tropey stuff we got in the first two episodes. While I really enjoyed those episodes, I didn't want Discovery to completely shed its darker side, or give up on their epic interstellar soap opera. I love me a good, sappy, fucked-up-family-drama, and this stuff is pure gold. The lies and hidden truths and all the secrets-dont-make-friends nonsense that binds Sarek's family at arm's length is just deliciously real, for something that is very sci-fi. The whole time Amanda and Michael were talking to each other, I couldn't get over how genuinely fucked up this family is (in a very realistic way), and how poorly they have gone about their relationships and how their path was freaking littered with good intentions. I loved it.

But before I make the thread dive, can I assume that there are certain people who are super unhappy about everyone brushing off and bossing around our beloved man-tastic Captain Pike? Because as soon as Amanda says, 'On Vulcan, we call it persistent. And yes, she got it from me,' I figured there'd be a section of the fandom that would be huffing and puffing. I'm sorry if that line stabbed at any certain types of insecurities, but that was awesome. Don't think that I didn't do a little cheer when this very charming man with a lovely smile tried to call a persistent woman 'bossy' to deflect and undermine her inconvenient intentions and was immediately shot down and forced to re-evaluate the situation. I don't love Pike because he's a punching bag (because he's fucking not), I love him because he, while not perfect, will listen and learn... while still being charming, confident, and all around awesome. That is a damn good message and "manly" as hell if you ask me.

Anyway, Michael Burnham is really pushing the limits of 'Things were different back then," when we think of the TOS era as opposed to the parade of hall monitors in the 24th Century, and dammit, I love it. Her rationalization for breaking protocols are getting pretty out there, but then again, she did out-logic the computer in the first goddamn episode. More power to her.

 

Kor: thanks for that research. Deeply appreciated.

Thanks also for the reminder that some diacritics are under the letter rather than above it.