Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"

My Uncle, who has met Producer 1 said that Producer 1 said Actor 1's farts smell like Fruit Loops.
What my Uncle misunderstood was that Producer 1 said Actor 1 thinks his farts smell like Fruit Loops.

 

Mmmmm. Fruit Loops.

Can we make them 25% different for the sake of the new bowl of cereal? Give the toucan angled wings and a self-illuminated beak.

 

Even before the show started, there was a pretty common assumption here that, if the Enterprise was ever going to show up (and thus presumably Pike), the season 1&2 bridge would be the most likely time for it to happen - since that's like a really common thing with TV spinoffs if the crossover doesn't happen in the pilot.

So it's most likely that everyone involved knew the season was going to end with the E fairly early in production. But suggesting the events of season1 were all meant to be some kind of preface is pretty ridiculous. The E's appearance and run-in with Disco was completely arbitrary and contrived in the moment.

 

Or as some have called it: "saving a show that isn't getting as much positive feedback as we'd hoped by bringing in the most famous starship in sci-fi history."

 

No. He does not.

So you go from "He says this explicitly" to "how things were presented" (now implying that it's leaving it up to the interpretation of the viewer) when proven obviously wrong. Hmmm. Moving the goalposts, are we? Well, at least you didn't delete your original post and fall back on a sad "I never said that" misdirection. Kudos!

Don't need to and don't care. It was a throw-away line, written by people (thankfully) no longer with the show. Your original statement of "he says this explicitly" is what everyone is saying you're wrong about.

Which you are.

Get your facts straight before you stick your cheese that far out into the wind, please.

 

I watched this episode on You Tube, courtesy of CBS (thanks to them for them for making the premiere free). I thought it was a solid premiere, but not spectacular. Though I don't think it was meant to be. It was like a set up episode, mostly putting characters and plotlines in place, and that made the episode feel a little aimless. Once they got to the Hiawatha the story felt like it was solidifying if it never quite fully gelled. Once again, the special effects were great.

A lot of the episode was for setting up Anson Mount as Pike and I thought Mount did a fine job. He made a very good first impression and if they keep it up he might become one of my favorite Trek captains. Mount's Pike is not the depressed, hard man from "The Cage", and felt more like Bruce Greenwood's take on the character, though not quite as weathered. I do think at times the show went a little too far in having him differentiate himself from Lorca; at times he felt a little too deferential and not authoritative, though it would make sense that he's being very careful with this crew since their morale must be reeling due to Lorca's betrayal, being stuck in the Mirror Universe, and the other things they've gone through in the last year.

I saw some online criticism about Burnham upbraiding Pike and I didn't get that. She didn't hold her tongue at times, but it didn't feel disrespectful, and Pike also made his points as well. That being said, I do think when it comes to the junior officers, including new character Jett Reno, they could stand to be a little more respectful of the chain of command, or that Pike (or whoever would be the captain/authority) could remind them. I don't see Picard, Janeway, Kirk, Sisko, or even Archer not more firmly asserting their authority. I watched "The Cage" after "Brother" and that Pike definitely would not have. (And with all that being said, I did like how Pike gave up the seat to Saru when it came to a job not that didn't concern investigating the Red Angel; that was very big of him. I also liked his roll call. I thought his going over his service record was a bit too much, however it provided fans some nice nuggets).

I liked the Enterprise security officer and I hope her role gets expanded. Though I also hope we get some nods to the Early Voyages comic, which I really liked. I liked what we got to see of the Enterprise, though I didn't care that it set out the war. And the ship looked pretty alright for it to supposedly be unable to finish the job. I wish they had written it where Discovery comes across a wrecked Enterprise.

I'm not a big fan of the Michael-Spock thing so far. I didn't buy that Spock would've talked about Burnham to Pike. Spock seemed pretty reserved when it came to his personal life so I don't see him just going into something like. Granted, we don't have much to go on when it comes to canon and the Spock and Pike relationship previously and "The Cage" Spock did seem a little more emotional than what I'm used to, but still, it just doesn't feel in character that he would talk about Burnham (though perhaps there was a professional reason for it. I suppose it would've been the topic of some conversation since she her infamous role in the Battle of the Binary Stars). I got the impression that there might have been more than a platonic relationship there between them, and I hope they don't go that route. The more I think about it, I really wish that they had used Soval or T'Pol as her Vulcan foster parent to get away from any potential canon issues when it comes to Spock or Sarek. And watching the flashbacks with Amanda and young Michael, I don't get why Michael needed another mother figure in Georgiou. This would've worked better if Michael had little to no human companions or interaction while on Vulcan which prompted the foster parent to get help from Georgiou.

The most out of place character in this episode was Tilly. Her comic relief bits just didn't work for me. I hope they tamp it down in the future. I have no problem with her remaining socially awkward, but her behavior and dialogue often felt out of place to me in this episode.

 

But that doesn’t mean it’s Pike waiting on Vulcan. You’re wrong.

 

Wrong. The show is a hit.

 

Millennium Falcon is gonna be on Discovery?

 

It was in First Contact.

 

what? when did the Millenium Falcon show up? Have I missed that?

 

That's not what I meant but...whatever.

 

(*Drinks heavily and goes off to pee in the woods*)

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetai..._star_trek_first_contact_1996_the_millennium/

 

I think you missed the part where @cooleddie74 was being rather facetious.

 

The struggle is real, yo.

 

Got it.

 

I'll admit, he could make his points a bit better and without trying to compete directly with South Park style content. It's just a show, but he's not entirely wrong about the sledgehammer tactics of the opening credits' monologue, if nothing else. The show always showed us about human nature, why does the show now need to state it point blank as if the audience is so thick? I wonder how Pike will be treated long-term to end up to how he acted in "The Cage" The one thing about prequels that's a given, apart from "we know how it ends", is the journey that takes place to characters and how they develop.

And why do I watch? Because there's always a point of view somewhere that might be intriguing, and - no - I don't agree with him on everything he says (does anybody really agree 100%? It's statistically not impossible, but I digress) , and considering a few weeks ago he was having kittens over the rottenness of kids being beaten up as a kid because he as a nerd was one (meaning his anger over "boys will be boys" and parental and other figures are needed so nobody experiences that nasty treatment might not count for much as there's a dichotomy between that and more recent comments that I've yet to figure out or that he's remembered and spelled out the pieces. )

 

Up next, water looks blue because of light reflection and the sky is blue due to light diffraction. There's song lyrics in the making right there...

 

erm...Pike doesn't need to end up how he did in The Cage. Talos IV is already in his past. He needs to end up like he did in The Menagerie and I don't beieve that's the story DSC should tell, because it is way too soon for that