Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?
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What I reproach to ST: Discovery is its violence & darkness. On the other side, the producers/writers don't hesitate to kill off popular main characters, what really missed in Voyager (I remind you that on 7 seasons, not one death in the senior crew: they were seriously injured but never really fatally and when it's happened, they came back from the dead at the end of the episode! -> I don't count Admiral Kathryn Janeway because even if she was the older doppelhänger our our Captain Janeway physically speaking, her character was almost completly opposed like it was another person). Moreover, there was currently no questioning about life/death/people/aliens, etc...
I watched the season 1 and decided right after the end of the finale that I will stop there. In contrast, I liked the concept of Fox's The Orville, though some episodes were frankly uninteresting, with its friendly crew, its positive message (tolerance compared to other cultures/acceptation of other people/friendship-mutual help and support) and humour.
I'd say that The Orville is closer to the spirit of Star Trek Voyager than Discovery!
I really spent a great time to watch the 1st season and I can't wait to watch the 2nd. season when it will be released! 
And to end, the relationship between Ed Mercer and Kelly Grayson, respectively Captain & his First Officer, is much more interesting to follow, for me, than Janeway/Chakotay. The reason? They had a past together as a former married couple, who try in the present time to forget their resentment and frustration to work together..., what seems to work pretty well because despite a painful breakup, we can feel that both feel a deep respect, admiration & support for each other no matter what will fall on them (I didn't have often this feeling with Janeway & Chakotay!). And then we can see too that the feelings (= love) are still here. They don't need to flirt to see that and it is a safe bet to think that they should end up together again around the finale and maybe even before.
I watched the season 1 and decided right after the end of the finale that I will stop there. In contrast, I liked the concept of Fox's The Orville, though some episodes were frankly uninteresting, with its friendly crew, its positive message (tolerance compared to other cultures/acceptation of other people/friendship-mutual help and support) and humour.
I'd say that The Orville is closer to the spirit of Star Trek Voyager than Discovery!
I really spent a great time to watch the 1st season and I can't wait to watch the 2nd. season when it will be released! And to end, the relationship between Ed Mercer and Kelly Grayson, respectively Captain & his First Officer, is much more interesting to follow, for me, than Janeway/Chakotay. The reason? They had a past together as a former married couple, who try in the present time to forget their resentment and frustration to work together..., what seems to work pretty well because despite a painful breakup, we can feel that both feel a deep respect, admiration & support for each other no matter what will fall on them (I didn't have often this feeling with Janeway & Chakotay!). And then we can see too that the feelings (= love) are still here. They don't need to flirt to see that and it is a safe bet to think that they should end up together again around the finale and maybe even before.
If Discovery is a series with violence and darkness-then it's nothing in it for me.
If Discovery is a series where they kill off popular main characters-then it's nothing in it for me.
If Star Trek is moving in a direction of doom, gloom and character destruction-then it's nothing in it for me anymore.
I did learn a lesson from what happened in season 4 and season 6 of Voyager.
So two of my "TV-watching rules" are:
"Don't start liking a character because they might kill of and/or ruining that character"
"If a series you like change in a direction you don't like, then quit watching it immediately and never look back"
I hardly watch new TV-series because I find them boring and soulless. The day NCIS is finished, then I can sell my TV or keep it only for the sports programs and for all DVD:s I got.
Fortunately the series I like are on DVD and I rather watch "Cold Fire" the 2216th time than torturing myself with one single episode of Discovery.
I'm thinking of that scene in the DS9 episode "Emissary" when the Prophets or inhabitants of the wormhole tells Sisko: "You exist here" which in his case is the moment he lost his wife and Sisko finally admits: "I exist here".
I can imagine myself being confronted by those Prophets who would show me a scenario when I sit and watch "Caretaker" for the first time and then they tell me: "You exist here!" Then I would stand up and say: "You're d**n right, I exist here and I'm not leaving!"
As for "The Orville", I have no clue what it is about. If it's good SF and not too silly or wimpy, then I might give it a try.
If Discovery is a series where they kill off popular main characters-then it's nothing in it for me.
If Star Trek is moving in a direction of doom, gloom and character destruction-then it's nothing in it for me anymore.
I did learn a lesson from what happened in season 4 and season 6 of Voyager.
So two of my "TV-watching rules" are:
"Don't start liking a character because they might kill of and/or ruining that character"
"If a series you like change in a direction you don't like, then quit watching it immediately and never look back"
I hardly watch new TV-series because I find them boring and soulless. The day NCIS is finished, then I can sell my TV or keep it only for the sports programs and for all DVD:s I got.
Fortunately the series I like are on DVD and I rather watch "Cold Fire" the 2216th time than torturing myself with one single episode of Discovery.
I'm thinking of that scene in the DS9 episode "Emissary" when the Prophets or inhabitants of the wormhole tells Sisko: "You exist here" which in his case is the moment he lost his wife and Sisko finally admits: "I exist here".
I can imagine myself being confronted by those Prophets who would show me a scenario when I sit and watch "Caretaker" for the first time and then they tell me: "You exist here!" Then I would stand up and say: "You're d**n right, I exist here and I'm not leaving!"
As for "The Orville", I have no clue what it is about. If it's good SF and not too silly or wimpy, then I might give it a try.
Oh dear, a tralier with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! What a joy!Here's the new season 2 trailer. They've given the Klingons hair to bring them more in-line with the Klingons of Treks past (I'm guessing so Worf won't look so different in The Picard Show), and there's even a classic Klingon Battlecruiser.
Oh yeah, and here's the new Spock:
And a Vulcan who tries to look like a bearded Ringo Starr of The Beatles.
Excuse me, I do think I walk over to the neighbors to watch the new paint on their house dry. Seems to be more fun!
If Discovery is a series with violence and darkness-then it's nothing in it for me.
If Discovery is a series where they kill off popular main characters-then it's nothing in it for me.
If Star Trek is moving in a direction of doom, gloom and character destruction-then it's nothing in it for me anymore.
I did learn a lesson from what happened in season 4 and season 6 of Voyager.
So two of my "TV-watching rules" are:
"Don't start liking a character because they might kill of and/or ruining that character"
"If a series you like change in a direction you don't like, then quit watching it immediately and never look back"
I hardly watch new TV-series because I find them boring and soulless. The day NCIS is finished, then I can sell my TV or keep it only for the sports programs and for all DVD:s I got.
Fortunately the series I like are on DVD and I rather watch "Cold Fire" the 2216th time than torturing myself with one single episode of Discovery.
I'm thinking of that scene in the DS9 episode "Emissary" when the Prophets or inhabitants of the wormhole tells Sisko: "You exist here" which in his case is the moment he lost his wife and Sisko finally admits: "I exist here".
I can imagine myself being confronted by those Prophets who would show me a scenario when I sit and watch "Caretaker" for the first time and then they tell me: "You exist here!" Then I would stand up and say: "You're d**n right, I exist here and I'm not leaving!"
As for "The Orville", I have no clue what it is about. If it's good SF and not too silly or wimpy, then I might give it a try.
It might be a little silly. But you will likely like it.
Three different versions of the character with three different casts in three different incarnations of Trek. Sherlock Holmes has had many, many more.so now three different people have played the same character
It's Next Gen/Voyager-style storytelling in a serial-numbers-filed-off version of the Trek universe. With dick jokes.
Three different versions of the character with three different casts in three different incarnations of Trek. Sherlock Holmes has had many, many more.
It's Next Gen/Voyager-style storytelling in a serial-numbers-filed-off version of the Trek universe. With dick jokes.
Sherlock Holmes is an adaptation. I swear I am going to learn how to put a quote on my username, and remember to do it, and it will say ‘it’s a damned adaptation’. It will save me time.
Don’t forget Orville is literally crammed to the brim with ex nineties Trek Alumni, including a slew of Voyager people, behind the scenes. Also...has actual models not just cgi.
So what? You might as well say every adaption of Sherlock is a failure because it's a book.
Yep, it's warm and fuzzy nostalgia. If you liked 90's Trek, you'll like The Orville.
To be fair....not that many dick jokesThree different versions of the character with three different casts in three different incarnations of Trek. Sherlock Holmes has had many, many more.
It's Next Gen/Voyager-style storytelling in a serial-numbers-filed-off version of the Trek universe. With dick jokes.
It is very fun scifi and, at times, pushes limits where Star Trek didn't always have the guts to go and do. It's worth at least one watch.
Wanna see discovery fans get p!ssed off?
Ahem,
Discovery isn't canon. The entire story was plagiarized from a video game and the characters are insufferable idiots whose lackluster performances do not represent any of our current social conflicts. STD is just as the letters imply- a disease that should be avoided at all costs."
Okay, bring the hate. Heh.
Ahem,
Discovery isn't canon. The entire story was plagiarized from a video game and the characters are insufferable idiots whose lackluster performances do not represent any of our current social conflicts. STD is just as the letters imply- a disease that should be avoided at all costs."
Okay, bring the hate. Heh.
I realise you're just copying what you read on clickbait sites, but please tell me where the game features mirror universe counterparts and Klingons?
Perhaps I should have said unoriginal or uninspired instead. I apologize for hurting your feelings. Does it really matter what I say and what I think? If you like the show that's great. I don't. To answer your question no, the game doesn't feature a mirror universe nor does it feature Klingons. But I do thank you for proving my point.
Hey King Daniel, I apologize for being a jerk. It's nothing personal. There are other threads here on Trek BBS where the sanctimonious one-upsmanship is getting really thick. All I did was perpetuate that ignorant behavior with my comment to ya and I'm not proud of it. No hard feelings bud.
This is where I point out again that TOS was full of violence and darkness, especially during its first season. Didn't hurt it one bit.
Logic. It’s the furthest forward séries in the series, a logical jumping off point that was ignored for a prequel. (Or sequel to ENT if you like)
It’s literally the last TV series that was boldly going as it were, as opposed to boldly catching up to where the other series went before.
I'm going to disagree here. TOS was not dystopian 'darkness'.
What is dystopian about Discovery?
Federation officers sticking booby trapped war dead on the battlefield for the enemy to collect.
