Captain Marvel (2019)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Skywalker, Jul 24, 2016.

  1. kirk55555

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    There is change, and then there is stealing a name and a few bits of backstory for a completely original character, which is what "Captain Marvel" is doing, and its wrong.
     
  2. Turtletrekker

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    And, once again, you are objectively wrong.
     
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  3. Awesome Possum

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    Yes, that’s what you’ve convinced yourself. It’s far from reality.
     
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  4. thribs

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    This must be one of the quickest characters to get a movie since she only became Captain Marvel about 4 years ago.
     
  5. Turtletrekker

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    How was it quick? The character has over 50 years history in the comics. It's not like she suddenly appeared on the scene with an invented backstory when she took up the name Captain Marvel.
     
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    Quick in the sense that Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel has only existed for four years. Yeah, they both existed independently from each other for decades, but the two together as one as new and therefore that character getting a film is quick.
     
  7. Turtletrekker

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    Well, she's always been a "Marvel" legacy character, with direct connections to the original Marvel Captain Marvel, so I don't see why it's an issue. Mar-Vell is long dead, and her original "Ms. Marvel" name is being used by another character.

    Besides, it's been six years, and as I said, she has 50 years of history. The movie incarnation of the Guardians of the Galaxy only existed for six years total in the comics before getting their own movie, and I'd call that a much faster turn-around.
     
  8. Gov Kodos

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    Besides, I can't imagine what relevance when Carol became Captain Marvel would have to making the film. Whether Carol's character where created 50 years ago or 50 weeks ago is quite a non-issue to the making of the film. But, yeah, she's been around some 50 years, funny it matters when she started being called Captain Marvel. She has a lot more connection to Mar-Vell than many others connected to his legacy.
     
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  10. thribs

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    I never said it was a issue.
     
  11. Mage

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    Hate? No, I don't hate your opinions. I hate the childish way you act and rant about not getting the toys you demanded for christmas. There is nothing informed or intelligent about your posts. All you do is complain that *insert current adaptation* isn't what it has to be according to you.
    And really, if it was just me..... But you must have noticed how many people on this forum alone already feel the same. Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, everyone has a good point?
     
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  12. Guy Gardener

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    Where's her name from (in the MCU) if she didn't steal and feminize Mar-Vels name, take a couple detours, Warbird and Binary, back to Marvel, feel "less-than", because why the hell can't she be a "Captain" which is a fricking demotion for the Colonel anyways?

    There's no Gravitas in the MCU to "Marvel", unless the Blue Marvel or Marvel Boy (from the 1960s and 1950s respectively) are a thing in the movies that we have also not heard about?
     
  13. thribs

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    I just not a fan of using the “Marvel” name with a Marvel property. Feels very on the nose.
     
  14. Awesome Possum

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    It would be weirder if DC did, they even have a character who used it at one point.
     
  15. thribs

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    But Fawcett Comics owned him and they inherited it. It’s not as weird.
     
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    I have to say, I'm curious how they're going to give her the code name, especially since I'm starting to suspect that given the memory/identity jiggery-pokery they might be putting Mar-Vell in the Marcus Immortus type abuser role...
    It's also worth noting that this is the *only* incarnation of "Captain Marvel" (except the big red cheese) that has ever been even a little bit popular, and she is *very* popular, rocketing right up there with the likes of Iron Man.

    And since when were only really old comics worthy of adaptation? A good story and character is a good story and character.
     
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  17. thribs

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    I don’t know if she’s popular but they have been shoehorning her in to many Marvel stories recently. I just assumed that was part of their diversity push.
     
  18. Reverend

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    Just look at the merchandise. They don't make anywhere near that kind of volume unless it sells, and merchandise that showcases unpopular characters doesn't sell. QED.

    Not sure if you've been paying attention the last few decades, but comic book sales are by a wide margin the *least* profitable source of revenue for comic book characters.
     
  19. Spot261

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    I think the problem tends to be more the manner in which you express your opinions and how much anger comes across over very small things that might even be positives if you were to step back and gain a little better perspective. That's where the word "toxic" comes from and frankly I can see why people attach it to your more....vociferous posts.

    You have a definite habit of giving your opinion as fact and being incredibly aggressive in the way you react to even the slightest questioning of it, whilst seemingly attaching way too much of your own emotional stability to enshrining interpretations of entertainment that are at best transitory or perpetually open to change at a moment's notice.

    Go out the front door dude, chat to your neighbours, go for a walk, get some hobbies outside of fandom, seriously you'll find a lot more pleasure in it for the balance
     
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  20. Guy Gardener

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    Carol is no "modern" diversity push.

    DC changed Captain Marvel to Shazam in 2011, when the New 52 started, which could get changed back at any point.