Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

Could you imagine though. Season 4 ends with Troi waking up from a nightmare and you find out everything from TBOBW through the Klingon Civil War never happened. "Will, I saw the captain assimilated, Worf had a son, there was a Klingon Civil War" Riker "It was just a dream"

 

I did love the Destiny books, but that was a Starfleet vs Borg story, not a specific Picard vs his personal nemesis story.

 

I'd guess the inventions of Mudd's illegitimate alien daughter was to get around Roger Carmel's likeness rights being consistently unavailable.

 

Why would that matter when the characters' likenesses are different from TOS anyway? Heck, there are plenty of other characters in the Kelvin comics who don't look like their Prime namesakes -- like Zahra, who started out looking like the TOS character but was then inexplicably whitewashed into a blonde.

Besides, DC was able to do Harry Mudd stories twice just by redesigning his features enough that he didn't look exactly like Carmel, just like a balding, overweight man with facial hair. And they redesigned plenty of other characters to get around likeness issues, e.g. Finnegan, Garth, Tongo Rad, etc. So if avoiding likeness problems was Johnson's motivation, he chose a bizarrely overcomplicated way to do it.

Not to mention that Roger C. Carmel was actually a year and a half younger than William Shatner, despite his appearance, so I have a hard time believing that Mudd could've been old enough to have a daughter who appeared to be roughly Kirk's age. Although we now have the fifty-something Rainn Wilson playing Harry Mudd in the 2250s, so I guess that makes it within the realm of possibility.

 

Wouldn't this conversation be more appropriate for the thread about the Picard series?

 

Well, it was called "Discovery and the Novelverse" because DSC was the only new series at the time it was started, but overall it's about the question of how new screen content could affect the novels, so I think post-DSC series are within its purview despite the title.

 

Plus don't these thread kind of expand far outside their original purpose anyway, esp. after 56 pages. It happens quite a lot around here (of course I'm guilty of that myself, with my rant about the Dallas dream year which isn't even on the right website )

 

Yeah, but the irony here is, most of those pages were posted while the novelverse was on hold anyway, so it was all kind of hypothetical. Now that the novels are finally on the way back and the topic is more relevant, it turns out there's more to deal with than just Discovery. Maybe we need to retitle the thread.

 

Wait when did Nana Visitor comment on the DS9 relaunch? Link please?

 

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/nana-visitor-says-no-to-vedek-kira.283434/

 

Eh a more spiritual path for Kira was hinted at in the show itself. She was already taking on that role to some extent by the end. The implication that she may replace Ben as the emissary was something I think the show hinted at and the novels are moving towards.

In fact I'd argue Kira's path follows pretty straightforwardly from the direction her character went in the show.

 

Vedek Kira has been one of my least favorite things the novels have done. I don't mind Captain Ro, but much rather would have seen Kira stick around as CO of DS9 and the Defiant.

 

I never got that impression at all.

 

Kira is a deeply religious woman, who was chosen as an vessel of the prophets, had a time travel experience at their will, and was all in all I think given for a more spiritual esoteric destiny. Than just commanding a space station.

 

By commanding that space station, she is helping keep her people safe and free. Not sure I could see a much higher calling for someone like Kira who spent her life as a freedom fighter.

 

Aside from Kira becoming "host" to a Prophet in The Reckoning, I never got the impression she was any sort of "chosen one" or had any sort of metaphysical destiny to fulfil. There's certainly nothing in the show to suggest she might someday replace Sisko as the Emissary.

 

I don't remember getting that impression from of the DS9 books up The Fall either. I think they did refer to her becoming The Hand of The Prophets or something along those lines, but I'm pretty sure that is a different role than The Emissary.

 

I haven't read very far into the "Vedek Kira" era (only the first four Typhon Pact novels), but so far I'm unconvinced by the idea. I feel like it demonstrates a nonreligious person's understanding of a religious people, like they don't get how someone who was deeply religious wouldn't be a member of the clergy if they're so religious.

 

We're a bit Captain-heavy in the novelverse, but I would have really liked it if Kira had remained in Starfleet after Bajor was admitted, and continue her badassery in a more active and familiar form.

Vedek Kira is kind of bore... I wanted fiery, yelling, and punching people Kira as captain of her own ship. But then when Ro went captain she got boring too, so I don't know.

 

Kira has had a connection to the prophets even Kai Winn did not-this tells me her destiny was something special.