Agents of SHIELD season 5

Given how I ended up in deep emotional hole after the first half of season 5, I'm not sure that's good news, but I'll celebrate now and mourn myself next year.

 

Very glad to hear...and the news is it is a good finale too...but it looks like next year might be it...hope they go out with a bang

 

To be honest, I'm surprised about that, but also pleased. Now, if they could just hurry up and release season 4 on Blu so I can add that to my collection.

 

I was originally okay with saying goodbye to this show at the beginning of the season, but this story (while it isn't necessarily a bad one, just not great) really isn't the way I'd see the show ending. I'm glad it was renewed again and I hope that in the future the end of the show is set in stone and planned, so it can be written as such.

 

Yay!

 

I was pretty sure it was a 50/50 chance, even with the failure of 'Inhumans', so I'm glad they made it. I'd say I'm pretty sure this will be the last season, but then I said that about seasons 4 & 5 too, so what do I know?

Apropos of nothing, but I just recently finished a rewatch of the whole show and I was honestly surprised at how well it held up. Indeed, it seemed to hold up even better than I remember, particularly the early first season and mid-to late third season.
The former is probably due to what I like to call the "Babylon 5 Season 1 Effect". That is something that in improved by a second re-watch because you're able to see all the foreshadowing and pieces being moved in to place whereas the first time round, it felt like fluff and filler.
That latter is probably just down to the fact that a binge-watch makes the slower spots much more bearable than when we had to wait weeks or months for drawn-out plotlines to develop into something interesting. It also helps that season 3 had a very strong start with the Simmons/Maveth arc.

 

but for only 13 episodes... I guess they won't have to deal with Avengers 4...

 

Well if they delay the airing or have a long hiatus between the two halves they can

 

So this means they will have to address Avengers 3 somehow.

The fact that they only got a half-season probably means that this is intended to be the last season, but I hope that is communicated in advance to the writing team.

I guess that will be the end of Marvel on broadcast TV? Meanwhile, DC has several shows on CW?

 

well the last 3-4 episodes of the show have been taking place during Infinity War so it is happening, just not effecting them directly

 

IT LIVES!!

 

Yeah but the end of Infinity Wars will have to be addressed head-on. It's not something they can just ignore and carry-on with.

 

I’m expecting the season finale to end with it

 

Hooray! The show must go on! Stand by for That Big Moment from Infinity War.

Perhaps with the new season, we'll finally get a Bobbi and Hunter reunion, especially since Hunter already came back for one episode.

I was thinking the same thing, both the 50/50 odds and thinking season 6 will be the last season, while also thinking the same for the last two seasons.

I've wondered if that would be the case (including the Babylon 5 parallel). I hated the first season so much I actually stopped watching out of sheer disappointment, but I gave it another go after season ended and everyone said it much better after The Winter Soldier changed everything. Good to know you thought it holds up and I hope when I eventually watch it all again, I'll have the same experience.

 

Aside from all the foreshadowing and plot details that we didn't spot of appreciate the significance of the first time round, I think what helps the most retrospective is the genuine affection I have for these characters right from the off, rather than having them grown on me over time as they did the first time around. It make the sillier capers more fun because you're already invested in their personalities and aren't as distracted by the week-to-week tension of wanting something with a little more meat.

Honestly it was the rewatch of season 3 that surprised me the most. I was never happy with the whole "Roslyn murder make Coulson kill-crazy: I-crush-you-now!" arc and at the time I so sick of Ward that him coming back as Hive just felt like beating a dead horse. While the former still bothers me somewhat, the latter seemed to have the opposite effect and I genuinely enjoyed Dalton's performance as a wholly new and honestly quite fascinating character. Likewise the Lincoln drama didn't feel nearly as drawn out and I actually kinda grew to like the character and felt the death was well earned by the end.

Also, I forgot how much the end of season 4 felt like a series finale, what with the curtain call appearances by former cast members/deceased characters Ward & Trip, SHIELD being effectively disbanded...again! (Seriously, at this rate they're going to out-do Hydra in terms of come-backs.) And leaving off on what at the time felt like the mother of all cliffhangers that yet still felt like a great place to end it if they had to (sound familiar?) I'm just curious if the "Coulson in space" coda would have been omitted and just left it with the diner scene had the show not been picked up. If nothing else I'll be watching the season 5 finale with an eye towards a similar break-point.

 

I figured that might be the case. In fact, I remember not liking FitzSimmons at all during the first half of the first season and loathing Skye just as much as I always loathed Ward. I don't think I started liking her until she discovered she was an Inhuman and became Daisy. I only enjoyed Coulson (who was the main reason I was watching in the first place) and May because I've always loved Ming-Na.

I never had a problem with the Coulson arc but I certainly can understand why you or anyone else didn't like it. I was just bummed out Constance Zimmer wasn't around longer. Surprisingly, as much as I hated Ward, I actually liked Dalton's performance as Hive the first time around and I think the role better suited him than Ward ever did.

This part, on the other hand, I don't believe for a second. I absolutely despised Lincoln and his relationship with Daisy. I felt like it really brought her down, just when I was starting to warm up to her. He's part of the Obnoxious Hat Trick with Ward and Deke, for me anyways.

I definitely think that "Coulson in space" coda would've been omitted if the show it hadn't been renewed and I imagine something similar might happen in next week's finale (the big connection to Infinity War, maybe?).

 

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Funny you should say that since I always liked FitzSimmons (as a unit, at least) the first time around, but on rewatch I was rather struck by how much of an obnoxious gobshite Fitz came off as in the first half of the season.
Which I suppose just highlights how dramatic his character arc has been. Jemma's too of course, but she's been a consistently likeable character for me from day one. The only bump in the road being that little stretch in season 2 when her reaction to Trip's death made her unintentionally freak out a freshly terragened Skye.

That too, but AoS has a long track record of killing off supporting guest characters the moment the plot is done with them. For me the problem was two-fold: -
Firstly, the cliched tropeyness of the whole thing. "They killed his wife/girlfriend/daughter/sister and now he's out for revenge" is such a lazy motivation and a very poor fit for a character like Coulson. Especially coming right off the back of Hunter being similarly out for blood.
Secondly, I just didn't buy it. I'm not sure if it was Greg's performance or the abruptness of the whole thing (including them only being in a relationship for like 5 minutes prior to this), but nothing about it felt natural. If it had been May on the other hand, then I'd buy it, but that's a catch-22 since May going out like that would be a whole other world of "nope!"

For me I think the "best" version of Ward was the late season 1, out of the Hydra closet Ward. Creepy stalker/serial killer Ward and petty revenge Neo-Nazi leader Ward never sat right with me. And of course pre-Winter Soldier Ward was (by design) flat and boring. Ironically, framework Ward was the closest they ever came to getting back to Hydra Ward.

I guess I came at it from a different angle since I always liked Skye/Daisy so I only found the Lincoln stuff to be somewhat tiresome. Deke I'm fine with since so far it seems to be entirely one-sided and it's nice to have Daisy not be the one with the puppy-dog crush.
Don't get me wrong, Quake/Ghost Rider is by far the best paring of them all, but while there's undeniable chemistry there it's entirely platonic, which I found very refreshing.

 

That depends. If it comes back as a midseason replacement, then the end of the season would line up with Avengers 4 just like the end of this season lined up with Avengers Infinity War.