Novelverse "facts" you've taken into your head-canon

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  1. Lonemagpie

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    *is amused by a thread about personal headcanon devolving into arguments about objective canon, which is always just personal anyway...*
     
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  3. JD

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    So they're the same as all of the other books then. All of the books are part of my personal continuity until they're contradicted, and then when are I just shift them off to their own parallel universe.
     
  4. Enterprise1701

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    I like the novels' clarification that there were four founding species of the Federation on five member states/planets. I hope Discovery canonizes this sometime.
     
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  5. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Actually, the idea of five founding members goes back to Franz Joseph Schnaubelt's Technical Manual. He had Sol/Earth, Alpha Centauri, Vulcan, Epsilon Indii (which other authors identified with the Andorians), and 61 Cygni (which other authors identified with the Tellarites).
     
  6. Christopher

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    Well, he had 40 Eridani, which he didn't explicitly identify as Vulcan, but James Blish had postulated it as Vulcan's home star in his 1968 "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation. And it was the only one of the five whose emblem and flag designs implied an alien culture rather than a human colony. (In the TM, the 61 Cygni emblem has a swan design, as in Cygnus, and a weird Roman numeral-ish thing that might be meant as a stylized LXI = 61, though it looks more like IXII. The Epsilon Indi seal has a big "EI" in the middle, and the Alpha Centauri flag and coat of arms have centaurs.) The book also implied that the founders were multi-planet nations rather than single worlds -- Planetary Confederation of 40 Eridani, Star Empire of Epsilon Indi, United Planets of 61 Cygni, Alpha Centauri Concordium of Planets.

    As far as I know, it was the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual by Eileen Palestine and Geoffrey Mandel that first identified 61 Cygni with Tellar and Epsilon Indi with Andor (correcting Schnaubelt's misspelling -- the constellation is Indus, not Indius), as well as making the Vulcan/40 Eri link more explicit.
     
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  7. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Very likely. Certainly either that or one of ADF's TAS novelizations (my initial thought), and I'm leaning toward the Medical Reference. (I have both the self-published and Bantam editions of that one in my own library; the Bantam edition has a few pages that weren't in the self-published edition.)
     
  8. Tuskin38

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    40 Eridani is identified as Vulcan on an almost illegible map in DSC.

    Probably only because their maps are based off Star Charts.

    A WIP Star Charts map also appeared in ENT, but it isn't readable on screen.
     
  9. Christopher

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    No. Foster referenced the SFTM's founder-nation names in his "Counter-Clock Incident" adaptation (complete with the "Indii" typo, dammit) in the flashback to the launch of the Enterprise from Robert April's POV, but he didn't identify them with any alien races.

    I don't think Foster ever even mentioned a Tellarite. The closest he came was referring to one of the Elysian council members in "The Time Trap" as "a Tallerine." There's no mention of the Andorian councillor, so that means Foster's only reference to Andorians was probably in "Yesteryear."
     
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    So much so, unfortunately, that they have impossible things like "Path of Enterprise-A (2280)" on there and a few copypastes from random Wikipedia pages :ack:

    It really wasn't meant to be seen close up.
     
  11. Stevil2001

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    The typo definitely spread-- Strangers from the Sky also uses "Epsilon Indii."
     
  12. Christopher

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    It's a pet peeve of mine that so many people assume the plural (or possessive in this case) of -us is -ii. It's just -i, and it's only doubled with roots that already end in i -- e.g. radius/radii, but locus/loci. Even worse is when they think it works for Greek words ending in -os or -is. (Like when somebody somewhere asked recently if the plural of TARDIS was "Tardii.") I mean, I can sort of understand the basis of the mistake, since most people don't go to schools that still teach Latin like good old Walnut Hills High, but it's just so pervasive that it gets on my nerves.
     
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    You'd think by now they would know better. If anybody is going to pause and zoom in to see every tiny detail on something like that it's Trekkies.
     
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    Well, except for the stylized "E" and "4" right in the centre! ;)
     
  15. Christopher

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    Those look like they're meant to be alien script, although I suppose I can see how Schnaubelt might have been loosely basing them on "E" and "40" (though the one on the left looks more like an M if you look at it sideways).
     
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    Well, if Discovery does ever explicitly mention 40 Eridani, I hope someone on their staff realizes it's pronounced "Eriddany" rather than "Air a Donny." Although Star Trek has a long history of mispronouncing constellation names, as far back as Harry Mudd pronouncing "Ophiuchus II" as "Oh fie, a cuss two." (It should be "Oafy Ookus.")
     
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    After reading Crossover, that the Yorktown is still an exhibit at Starbase 178.
     
  19. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Or an uppercase sigma*.
    Let us not forget that Superman: The Movie established (assuming it hadn't been established in the comic books at some point) that the S-looking insignia worn by Superman wasn't an "S for Superman" at all, but rather some sort of family or clan escutcheon.

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    *Speaking of Greek letters, am I the only one here who winces and groans (and maybe even cringes just a little bit) whenever they see a misspelled Christian "ichthos" symbol, with an "E" replacing the sigma, and an "O" replacing the theta?
     
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  20. Christopher

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    Yeah, I think that originated with that movie, and it's become commonplace since then to portray it as the standard of the House of El. John Byrne's '86 reboot had Pa Kent and Clark design it, but Lois and Clark made it a Kryptonian symbol and so did Smallville. Mark Waid and Leinil Yu's Superman: Birthright miniseries said that it was a house crest that became a symbol of hope to Kryptonians, and the movie Man of Steel took that a step further and said it literally meant "hope." On the other hand, Supergirl established that it stands for the house motto, El mayarah, meaning "Stronger together." (So... it either stands for Barack Obama's campaign slogan or Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan. I bet General Zod's emblem means "Make Krypton great again.")