Star Trek or Star Wars? Which franchise is better now?

Oh that's true enough. They sell relatively few copies, but the quality of the post series end novels is very high (a lot of those published while the shows were on air weren't great) - way better than the Star Wars novels.

 

I had to vote Star Wars.

With the news that Quentin Tarantino is going to be doing a film I looked around the net and I keep seeing comments like "Great, I don't like Star Trek it sucks! Finally there will be something I can Like!"

Sure it may wind up as big as the Transformers or The Fast and the Furious, but, it will be like the Transformers or The Fast and the Furious, Not Star Trek.

The vultures are picking the eyes from her dead body.

 

Quentin Tarantino is a lot more talented than you seem to be giving him credit for, and (imho) would be capable of producing a insightful and interesting movie with (yes) the right percentage of action.

And would be able to do so without any Beastie Boy's music.

He had nothing to do with either Transformers or The Fast and the Furious, but a quick check of his filmography would show what he has done.

I can't say I've enjoyed ever movie and TV show, but there's a high percentage of good and great in the mix.

 

...based on his prior output, Quentin Tarantino’s presence would rather significantly increase the random bursts of ‘modern’ pop/rock in wholly ‘inappropriate’ settings.

With the odd prominent sampling of scores from completely unrelated movies. Just for good measure.

Tarantino’s less focused on ‘insight,’ and more ‘cutting up the media he enjoys, and making a collage out of the clippings.’ To clarify: That’s a description, not a criticism.

 

I voted for Star Wars being a lot better. The original Star Wars trilogy are by far my favorite films and I have loved Star Wars from an early age but I find it unfair to compare Star Wars and Star Trek.

I see both franchises as opposite. Star Wars an epic big screen franchise, with two TV animated spin off series which are okay while Star Trek has always been far better on TV with a few decent films although most are average.

These differences are the reason I love them both. As a small child in the early 80's Star Wars was everything and at that time I had seen and enjoyed the then released Star Trek films. After ROTJ though there was no new sci-fi on TV until the TNG appeared and I loved it from the start, a new adventure every week which was to continue for the next decade through DS9 and Voyager.

I did enjoy Enterprise and I was sad to see it cancelled as I had thought it was hitting it's stride in seasons 3, I'm still undecided with Discovery.

 

Star Trek is sort of becoming a kingdom within Star Wars' empire. I'd like to see that reversed, or rather be more mutually exclusive. I think ST has to have less aliens and stick to it's own sand box.

 

I'm really enjoying the output of both at the moment. Star Wars dominates commercially, but who really gives a shit?

 

I'm really surprised that Paramount hasn't been taking notice of Marvel's success and thought ,"Hey! We have a REALLY large universe we could explore with this Star Trek franchise. Let's do additional movies about the Borg, Klingons, Romulans etc. Maybe one about the Dominion war, Romulan War, Mirror Universe after Kirk went back,etc.. Where are we at in the Prime timeline after the Dominion War ended and Voyager came home?" There is so much ground they could cover and it baffles me that they are sticking to one Kelvin movie every 3 to four years.

 

They can barely get people to turn up for those, I doubt some more obscure elements of Trek Lore would have any appeal to the general public...

 

The three to four years baffles me as well, but the lore building hasn't interested the general public. Heck, it barely interests people that Klingons might have some differences in DISCO, much less possible explanations for those differences.

Star Trek doesn't have the epic mythological flavor that Star Wars has, so lore building often doesn't fit quite as well as Star Wars. It focuses on the human adventure, characters that are approachable from an audience perspective.

But, three to four years? Way to long in current media consumption culture.

 

Neither, they both have pros and cons.

 

And stop trying to eat each other.

 

Sadly I don't think the Kelvin movies did quite well enough for something like that.
It does make you wonder what the franchise would look like now if the first movie, Into Darkness and Beyond had managed to do Star Wars or MCU numbers.
I wonder if Paramount would have done more to try to build a Trek Cinematic Universe if they didn't have the Hasbro franchises.

 

So far . . . neither. There is only one Star Trek movie that I have enjoyed in recent years . . . and it was the last one. There is only one Star Wars movie I have enjoyed in recent years . . . and it was "Rogue One". That's it.

 

Not even the original Star Wars?

 

"in recent years"

 

I'm surprised to find Star Wars winning by a massive margin on Star Trek forum.

The fact that Trek has given us Beyond and Discovery (both of which are awesome in my opinion) and Wars has given us two absolute dog shit films in the form of TFA and TLJ (R1 was good though) makes it all that more surprising.

 

That's probably because those evaluations of the relative quality of these productions are subjective, and a lot of people don't share them.

 

I just relaized I hadn't posted in the thread yet.
Are we talking about just the onscreen stuff, or everything including books, comics, games, ect?
Either way I'd say their about the same. Other than a couple mobile games, I've enjoyed everything I watched/read/whatever from both franchises.
I really liked all of the Disney Star Wars movies, and Rebels, and on the Trek front I loved all three Kelvin movies, and Discovery started OK, but has massively improved as it's gone along.
I have't read a the ongoing Trek comic yet, but I have read most of the IDW minieries, and they've ranged from good to great. I've read the first three collections of the ongoing Star Wars and Darth Vader comics and they were all good.
Haven't played any of the Star Wars games other that LEGO TFA, which was good, and I got bored with Trexels, and didn't like the matching/fighting Trek mobile game. Haven't played the Battlefronts, but I have played Star Trek Online, and it was pretty good.

 

Financially, Star Wars is still a much bigger deal and success. Although it may be deteriorating and do so more as saturation increases.

But critically and in terms of reputation, Trek is probably doing better as it's already had its nadir of fan disparagement and discontent, few of even bashers say that the new stuff is really the worst or without precedent, compared to the low point where almost no one was really enthusiastic it's more in the more typical position of love it or hate it. While Star Wars seems to be getting more splintered reactions, more fans saying the new stuff is the worst and a whole lot of disagreement about what should have been done and whether the prequels or new sequels were worse (and so what should be done going forward).