MLB 17-18 Offseason: The Giants are preparing for EYBS' return

I honestly can't imagine how Yankee fans can listen to either of them. Just horrible

 

How about A-Fraud? Always liked that one better.

 

Pretty equally douchey either way. They were ecstatic to get him, and rubbed it in everyone's faces. Then they realized he was a choke artist, and suddenly he wasn't a "real" yankee. Then thrilled/loved him when he finally showed up for a World Series. Then hated him again when he finally got caught for the steroids he'd obviously been doing for years (not willing to give back the win, though). And pushed him out the door as soon as his production couldn't be propped up by the juice anymore and they realized the stupid contract they'd signed him to.

Whole thing is just a really poor look, entitled mess. Plus always funny when they want to highlight the steroid thing, and gloss over how many Yankees have been busted for Steroids. Yes, it was pervasive and tons of big names were involved, but don't cherry pick. The Mitchell Report may has well have been named "Yankees are all taking steroids, plus we found a couple other guys too". Like half the names were Yankees, with plenty of big ones. But we can gloss over that because they didn't fail a real steroids test, and it could have been for anything. Except for Ortiz, he probably definitely cheated somehow. Even though literally everything they hate him for happened AFTER that testing period, and he never got popped when real testing began.

I'm willing to wipe everything Ortiz and Manny did pre-2003 off of the record books, championships and all, if you're willing to wipe anything with Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi, Justice, Sheffield, and about 20 other guys on the list. Just so you're prepared, that wipes out the entire 90s-00s run, though.

 

MLB is looking at the Cubs/Chatwood contract because of some wording, and they aren't looking at these Marlins trades?

 

I am a diehard Yankee fan and season ticketholder. I always say that one of the reasons I show up at 40 plus games a year is because I don't want to listen to Sterling and Waldman.

As for the Marlins--they were in a terrible position. Stanton had to go. Some of it was self inflicted, like Jeter not having a personal meeting with him until it was way late in the game. And the idea of telling him to go to the Cards or Giants or he would remain a Marlin was just dumb--especially since he had an opt out clause.

The Marlins had no bargaining power with the Yankees who didn't NEED to make this deal unless it suited them.

It's true the Marlins didn't get back a top prospect from them, but Guzman is actually damn good, and on his way to becoming a top prospect. I didn't like losing him, but hell--it's Stanton. Plus Guzman is several years away. I would watch him closely given that he can top 100.

As for the Ozuna trade, they had more bargaining power there so there are no excuses on that front. I think they should have waited until July and tried to get a big package from a playoff team that needs an outfielder.

But they have a lot of debt, and really need to blow it up to fix things.

 

Ohtani seems to have a sprained UCL. Tommy John surgery before he ever throws a pitch?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/mlb-to-investigate-leak-of-ohtani-medical-information.html

 

I'm good with that. Fuck all of those guys. And be sure to put Barry Bonds on the top of that list.

 

Too right. This is the same man who said (after a female reporter tried to interview him), and I quote, "I only talk to women if they're naked and on top of me or I'm on top of them."

 

Good god, get over yourself.

You think any team was going to assume that contract and give them top prospects? I can't believe anyone could believe that. They are lucky they were able to get rid of him at all.

I think it's kind of comical. ... but I don't listen to them much at all.

Well, that one doesn't seem to be awarded the "ban you for a day" tirade from the Timbus.

I wasn't. I already knew he was a self-centered choke artist. I was hoping you guys got him.

 

Honestly? I don't know anything about that.

 

lol .... before 2003... lol...

I'm not glossing over anything, I just hate Arod. Always did. I could care less about his numbers or contracts. Then he just lied about it and made things worse. I would have had more respect for him had he just owned up to it... but he wouldn't because it's all about the hall for him. I don't know why you keep defending him, still soar over him not being on your team?

I heard all the Red Sox were doing them, especially after 2003. That whole New England bunch are in league with ESPN so...

I was upset when it "came out" about Ortiz, I still don't want to believe it but if you look at his career before landing in Boston it makes one scratch their head. ... but I always thought Manny was doing something.

I don't think they can keep roiders out of the Hall. I think they already put a couple in. Pudge is the most recent one. We'll see what happens this year.

 

Not an arbitrary date, that's when the Mitchell Report came out, genius. Anyone before that only got caught if they were seen doing them; steroid testing wasn't until after that. If you got busted AFTER that, you were a moron. See: ARod, Manny, and still tons of guys every year. So yeah, wipe out all of Ortiz's stats before that test. He was decent after that, and never failed a test, huh? Of the 20-something Yankees on that same report, wiping out the same years kinda takes away a couple rings, doesn't it. Keep railing on certain people while ignoring the blatant and widespread cheating in your own house...

And Didi Gregorius. Wait, he's playing decent right now, so you dropped that one. If his bat goes limp again, maybe you'll always hate him again?

Right, like Pettitte. Do whatever you want, cheat away, and if you're caught, apologize. And if you get caught again, apologize again. You're very clearly good with that, and think it's Hall-worthy, so why's it not ok for ARod? Where do you stand on Giambi? He kinda apologized...for something...

SOAR? if you mean SORE, I'm really not. Don't like him one bit. Also, right after the Yankees beat the Sox out for him, I think you'll recall they did ok

Oh, you heard it. Well, I heard that the Yankees were caught with... Nevermind. That's too stupid to respond to. But since they were testing, should be easy to come up with something that's not innuendo on a Yankees fan chat?

And won't even touch the completely vapid comment that New England and ESPN are in league together. You have heard that the two of them don't get along so well. Obviously the Deflategate coverage was softened because they love us They went out of their way to MAKE that a story when it wasn't...

You WANTED to believe Ortiz was on something, because he beat your brains in on a regular basis. But was tested often and never failed anything, so...? Just the Mitchell Report reference where he tested positive for something that they couldn't even tell him when he asked about it. Were you upset when it "came out" that most of the Yankees from the 96-01 run were on the list? You are somewhat more quiet on that point

Manny, harder to defend. 100% doing them later on, no idea when it started. Was he doing things all along, or did he juice up later to try and fend off a decline? Impossible to say. Didn't fail until much later on, though (was he with the Dodgers at the time, or Tampa first? can't remember). never failed a test with the Sox, for what it's worth. So many designer drugs and shitty testing, so who knows if he was getting around it. Idiot-Savant with a bat, though; guy could mash. A-hole otherwise, though, so something to the Idiot thing.

I agree with that part, at least. Impossible to say who did and who didn't, or how that affected everyone else. Let some cheaters in, stand firm on others, it's just shitty. Especially the ones you keep out on innuendo, without a failed test. I say let them all in, unless it was SO blatant that you just can't stomach it. And then you just have an exhibit explaining the Steroid Era and that this went on. Can even publically shame a few of the big stars that were caught during it, but you move on. They let it happen, and were happy when Sosa and MacGuire saved baseball, but now want to shame them. Sosa is a good extreme example; wasn't that great, suddenly hit massive number of dingers for a couple years, popped for steroids and stopped taking them, immediately kinda sucked again. Bonds was good beforehand, so it's shitty that he cheated later on to get big. Clemens was great long before he juiced up, but maybe that's the explanation for why he looked like his career was dying and then suddenly he got a second wind after he left Boston? He was certainly around that massive list of other Yankees taking steroids in that period...

 

Which is a shame, but it was bound to happen eventually. Father Time has never lost. My favorite Ichiro story is from his rookie season. He spent most of Spring Training slapping the ball around, so Lou Pinella, who had seen his numbers from Japan, went up to him and asked, “Do you still have power? Can you show me?” Ichiro nodded.

The next day, Ichiro led off the game with a home run down the line. Several Mariners, who had apparently witnessed the previous day’s exchange, were rolling on the floor laughing.