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The DCEU Is More Successful Than the MCU, After 5 Films

Even allowing for a few years of the usual "adjusted for inflation" shell game, that's surprising.

 

Yeh people forget how the early days of MCU went...

* The 2nd MCU film The Incredible Hulk likely made a loss grossing $263 million against a $150 million budget minus marketing.

* Iron Man 2 had a rushed production, which upset it's director, launched to lesser reviews than the first and made less money than Marvel expected. IM2 made only $38 million more than the original but cost $60 million more to make and had a bigger marketing campaign.

* Captain America only made $370 million worldwide.

Avengers was the moment when MCU became the dominant force in Hollywood it is day. Sadly for WB, The JL was the opposite for them and has severely damaged the DCEU.

 

Again, there's nothing atypical there. The media constantly report on films having really long rough cuts, but that's because the first cut is the part where you throw everything usable in so you can then go through it and cull the parts you don't need. All these reports of rough cuts running 3 or 5 hours, they don't mean there was ever any remote chance that the final edit would be that long -- it basically just means that's the total amount of candidate footage for inclusion in the final film.

There's no set standard for how much content you may have to toss out and replace in the course of finding your way to the finished story. I've had some books published where I made only a small amount of changes from the first draft, but I've also had at least three books published that were the result of writing a whole book, abandoning it, then salvaging its best parts for a different book altogether.

 

Variety reported

It seems typical reshoots add $6-$10 million from what I read, not the $25 million reported for Justice League. A big reason for the inflated costs were because WB panicked at the last minute about the tone of the movie including the ending from reports. They allowed Whedon to do far more than simply supervise the post production of the film. The running time rule n the fusing of two directors works clearly affected the pacing n story = mixed reviews and loss $$$ at the box office.

Essentially WB over inflated the budget and reduced revenue at the same time, quite the screw up.



There has been a change in WB mindset apparently as going forward it seems WB will try to factor reshoots into the original budget at the start of production of future movies.

 

Amateur online pundit analysis - much of which has been exaggerated - doesn't fall under the category of "reports".

 

Actually, the pre-credit sequence of DAF does feature James Bond hunting down Blofeld especially for that reason.

 

Yes, of course I know that. I haven't been living in the Phantom Zone for the past year. The point is, you can't really call that "waste," because there is no uniform standard for how much editing or reshooting a given movie may have to do in order to arrive at the finished work. There's no definable line of demarcation between "enough" and "too much." If it's what the film needs, if it's required to fix its problems, then it isn't wasted. If anything, Justice League's problem is that it wasn't given enough time and money to be properly completed, hence the rushed and widely criticized CGI.

I don't believe those "reports," because we've been hearing about WB's efforts to lighten the tone since back when the film was in pre-production, after BvS came out. And you're forgetting the order of events. Whedon was initially brought in to write the reshoot material while Snyder was still onboard. It was only after Snyder stepped down to deal with his family tragedy that Whedon was asked to take over as director as well.

That's not a change! Every big-budget movie these days budgets in advance for reshoots. I mean, I'm staggered how short a memory the public has, because we've gone through this exact same panic over reshoots with multiple big movies in the past few years, notably Suicide Squad, Rogue One, and Solo: A Star Wars Story. Every time it's reported that a film is going back for reshoots -- which are a routine and expected practice that is accounted for in the budget beforehand -- fandom has a panic attack over how doomed the film must be, as if they've never heard of reshoots happening before even though it's been only a few months since their last panic attack over reshoots. Heck, there was a spate of articles just last year over how reshoots weren't intrinsically a bad thing. People should've learned by now that this is normal. Creativity is not a one-step process. It involves discarding and replacing things all the time. Rewrites, retakes, reshoots, they're normal and routine and desirable parts of the creative process, because they're how you get rid of the parts that don't work and make them work better.

 

The DCEU movies cost more to make and featured DC's "Big Gun" character who already had big fanbases even without movies. The first few MCU movies cost less to make and featured what were effectively Marvel's "B-Team" characters. So their success and the resulting elevation of said characters from B-List to A-List is still more impressive than anything the DCEU has managed to pull off.

 

Is that the one when he drops him down a giant chimney using a remote controlled helicopter or something like that?

 

No, that's "For your Eyes Only"...where they couldn't even be bothered to call him "Blofeld" onscreen once.

 

They weren’t allowed to, for legal reasons. It’s the long complicated saga that also explains why Never Say Never Again is a remake of Thunderball.

 

Ah you've edited in the video

I don't remember that scene but then again I've not watched most Pre Bronson Bond movies since I was a kid, I find them really hard to watch as an adult though I have soft spot for one or two like Man with the Golden Gun.

 

You can certainly interpret her murder as being the reason he’s hunting Blofeld. It definitely works. But, as I said, she isn’t mentioned. When Bond appears to kill Blofeld, he says “welcome to hell, Blofeld.” You’d think they’d have given him a line like “that’s for Tracy” if they’d wanted to explicitly link the 2 films.

Anyway, I’m conscious of hijacking a DCEU thread, apologies again.

 

The ambiguity was probably intentional. Some viewers would get the intended reference to the previous film, but viewers who didn't remember the previous film wouldn't be confused by a more overt reference and could just enjoy it as a standalone action sequence. Creators welcome such ambiguities because you want a story to work for different audiences at the same time.

 

People keep saying that Justice League reshoots are normal must be covering their ears and singing "lalalala" because it's pretty damn clear that what they did is take a nearly completed movie, and cut it to bits in order to make a totally different movie. Absolutely not normal in any way!

 

The film would've been under two hours with or without the material written by Joss and regardless of whether or not Zack had stepped down from postproduction.

This is documentable fact.

 

The movie we got was literally random pieces from the original movie glued together randomly with tons of extra post production work to make them fit a whole different story. You need to stop trying to push your bullshit agenda of trying to convince us that this is at all normal. Nobody is buying it any more.

 

According to whom?

Don't be obnoxious.

 

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/feature/a843529/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut/

Everything here makes sense. In fact it's the only thing that makes sense. Whedon took Snyder's movie, cut out little strips of it, put them together to fit a completely different story, and filmed new scenes to tie the random little strips together. Lets wait for @Christopher to come in here and tell us that this is how movies are made.

And bringing up the reshoots to Solo is hilarious. They reshot 80% of that movie! Great way to sell your point that any of this is "normal". You're drunk, go home.

 

While not perfect by any means, the Snyder version sounds better and better the more I hear about it. While I do like Whedon's "Do you bleed?" line and his post credit scene (though they should of swapped around the order of them) Snyder version just sounds not only more epic but vastly more coherent and still sets up future DCEU plans.

BvS & MoS are underrated (especially MoS) and WB fucked themselves with so many bad calls over the production of Justice League.