Spoilers Arrow - Season 6

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  1. tomalak301

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    Is Watson the main villian this season? If so I hope this storyline ends at least by the midseason break. It's really starting to annoy me.

    Other than that, I thought this was the best episode of the season. Always love a good Slade Wilson story, even though I called the ending when it was "revealed" that his son had "died". Still, that's going to be interesting as the season plays out.
     
  2. dahj

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    She isn't a villain at all, yet. Merely an antagonist.
    I doubt she will be a villain since we already have Vigilante, Black Siren, Helix and Richard Dragon on the roster this season.
     
  3. Turtletrekker

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  4. Christopher

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    Okay, so Diggle's come clean about his tremor at last, and Curtis has offered to help. Which raises the question of why Diggle didn't think of asking Curtis for help in the first place. Or asking Lyla to find a solution with ARGUS resources.

    This episode established the existence of Grant Wilson and featured a scene with John Diggle, Jr., which makes me wonder if that "pocket dimension" in Legends of Tomorrow's "Star City 2046," which introduced both characters to the Arrowverse, might not be such a pocket after all.

    This seems to have been an Oliver-light episode, to free up Amell for shooting the big crossover. This week's Supergirl had little or none of the main cast, and we'll reportedly have a Sara-light Legends of Tomorrow next week as she recovers from her injury sustained this week. I'm guessing "Girls' Night Out" was the Barry-light episode of The Flash. Proportionally, that suggests that the crossover may feature the Supergirl cast most heavily, and otherwise draw mainly on the leads from the other shows.
     
  5. tomalak301

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    These two episodes were the best of the season so far. It feels like the stories are moving forward at a brisk pace and again Bennett steals every scene he is in. I also loved that Diggle finally came clean and that might pave the way for Oliver to be Green Arrow again. Also the flashbacks to deathstroke’s origin made me feel the way I felt last year watching season 2 for the first time, excited. Nice to see Shado come back too.
     
  6. Christopher

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    I'm actually hoping they stick with Green Diggle for a while, that Oliver's return to the hood in "Crisis on Earth-X" is temporary. I'm enjoying their exploration of Dig in the role and the changed dynamic for the team and Oliver, and I think they can get a lot more out of it. It's refreshing to see a show stick with a format change like this and explore its possibilities rather than just giving it 2-3 weeks.
     
  7. tomalak301

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    But it makes this season feel "off". I miss Oliver in the hood, and also there were moments last season where he wasn't really Green Arrow it's almost like the last time he fully embraced the role was in Season 4.
     
  8. Christopher

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    I like the change. I find Oliver as mayor and dad a more interesting performance from Amell than Oliver as growly vigilante. And as I said, it's interesting to explore the journey of a new and different Green Arrow. "Off" isn't a bad thing. When a show's in its sixth year, continuing to do the usual and expected is not necessarily a virtue.
     
  9. Morpheus 02

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    I really hope that this is the end of the tension between Dinah and John, and that they move on with a platonic professional relationship. I appreciate he challenges to him earlier, and hope it grows from there...but what was up with the thing she hid at the end? I know... a secret she's keeping despite the promise. But at least it will be on her, not John.

    I know Christopher seems really keen on John & Dinah hooking up, but I appreciate that John and his wife are really working to make this relationship work, and supporting each other. And even though it felt like an After School special, I do appreciate that John knows how much support he has from the team. And again, I hope we don't get a retread of this fine storyline, but see how he is able to grow in the future from it.

    I am also glad that they didn't drag out John finding out Diaz is Dragon. But I wonder if Diaz has noticed the hesitations and has put 2 and 2 together

    Now, I wonder if that ending scene with John in the Green Glow was a tease for something in the future, or just a tease.


    So, did they basically switch the characters of Joe and Grant? (kinda like how Raimi did with MJ and Gwen)?
     
  10. dahj

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    That's the matchbox Vigilante left for her.
     
  11. Phoenix219

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    What Green Glow? I must have missed something.

    I could totally get down with a Deathstroke spinoff. Wow, that was a great episode.
     
  12. cylkoth

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    The glass uniform cages has always had a green lighted back wallpanel, and Diggle standing in front of his Arrow outfit, saw him bathed in green. Like from some sort of...lantern. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Christopher

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    Well, I figured they'd need to get Oliver back in the hood before the crossover. Although it's heartening that Oliver sees it as filling in temporarily -- that suggests the Diggle-as-Arrow arc isn't over yet, just taking a detour to accommodate the crossover.

    I'm starting to think Agent Watson is working with Cayden James. Her mysterious evidence against Oliver could have come from James, and her vindictive act of arresting him in front of his son could have been payback from James for the Arrow's perceived role in the loss of his son. Then again, maybe I just want her to be evil because she's really, really obnoxious.

    I wonder, though, when Watson expressed her disdain for the idea of vigilantes hiding behind masks, does that include Team Flash? And does she really expect that her vendetta against vigilantes in Star City would have an impact on the beloved, police-friendly superheroes of Central City? It continues to be weird to me how differently the two cities treat their resident heroes.

    And I actually kind of hope James is lying about the loss of his son being his motive. I mean, Prometheus's motive last year was to get revenge on Oliver for killing his father, so this is a bit of a rehash if it's true. Hopefully he's after something else and is just distracting the team with a red herring.

    Yay, Thea's awake! I was kind of expecting that, actually, since it didn't seem likely that Willa Holland would show up for this episode just to lie unconscious in a bed, but it was still a happy moment when it came. I wonder where she'll go from here. I get the impression Holland won't be part of the (theoretically) regular cast much longer, but under the circumstances, it would really help Team Arrow to have Speedy back on board.
     
  14. Tuskin38

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    Couldn't the Police Department have released a statement saying those cops they beat up were not actually cops?

    You could see their faces, at least some of them.
     
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  15. Christopher

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    It was released the night before the election, not enough time for a real investigation to settle the facts of the matter. So the voters would've been influenced by their first impressions and emotions, and any refutations and hard facts would've been drowned out by the emotion and rhetoric of the election. Much like the so-called "Clinton e-mail bombshell" that wasn't even about Clinton herself, just the ex-husband of an aide, and turned out to be a complete non-story, but still probably played a role in costing Secretary Clinton the election purely because the electorate had been conditioned by the media to have a Pavlovian response to anything that contained the words "Clinton" and "e-mail."
     
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    What kind of an arraignment was that?! The prosecution just said they had Probable Cause, but actually stated they wouldn't produce any evidence before trial, with a snarky remark to boot as if the defense demanding the producing of evidence is a silly notion. And the judge actually goes for it, and smacks the defense with a 5 million dollar bail. This was obviously the producers not wanting to reveal the evidence yet to have a stronger impact later on, but seriously, that was fucked up.
     
  18. Jayson1

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    I'm not sure but I suspect this is something you could find on Youtube. You can see tons of tv show themes and things of that sort.

    Jason
     
  19. Mage

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    Oh yeah, found it weeks ago. :) Still, thanks for the heads up. ;)

    I have to say, this weeks episode was a bit of a hit and miss. Nice to see Ollie back in the game again, but I was a bit disappointed that Cayden seems to have a personal vendetta against the Green Arrow. Hopefully it's a misdirect to keep to the team occupied with a wrong lead.

    As for Diggle as GA.... It was fun and interesting for a few episodes, but I really hope that his time 'filling in' will convince Oliver to come back permanently. Probably some trope involving William learning that he needs to share his father with the greater good and Oliver learning that even if he isn't the GA, he's not safe from harm like any other person or something.
     
  20. Jayson1

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    For me I hope Diggle stays the Green Arrow for the rest of this season but I think it would be neat if next season they reverse what Oliver is trying to do and he is the one who stops going into fights for his family. What if he was put in charge of the police, which is something I gather they are trying to fix. He could sort of be what the Lance character was in the early seasons of the show. As for someone dying this season since the show does seem to have at least one big death each year I agree that Thea is one choice but it also way to predictable. My money is on Lance dying maybe by the hands of Laurel which is the thing that inspires her to be good. Maybe she could then become a regular on Legends next season. It would be fun to see the two sisters, though not techically sisters have to work with each other Sara having to work with the person who killed her dad.

    Jason