Spoilers Justice League - Grading and Discussion

I never said that Marvel does this. I think that is what Anwar wants.

 

No, I just want them to keep up with what they're doing.

Anti-MCU people keep talking about how CBMs should be about "transcending" the genre. Like the genre itself is something unworthy of being enjoyed. This is a totally wrong-headed approach. Movies that apparently do this, like Dark Knight...those are examples of just how ashamed even the moviemakers are of comics that they want to get away from it and twist it into something else.

What the MCU is doing is instead elevating the public's views of the CBM genre by making good movies out of stuff like Iron Man, Cap, the Guardians, Thor, etc. That way, the public simply comes to appreciate the variety and enjoy the genre for what it is. The Genre itself becomes more respectable and there's no need to reject it in favor of something "grounded".

DC is only just waking up to that. Maybe someday we'll have someone with the balls to give us a solo Batman movie where he's fighting someone with genuine magic powers or aliens or something.

 

Hopefully not. That would be a complete waste of the character. Those stories suck in comic books, and they will suck on the big screen.

 

With that kind of close minded attitude, maybe. Not to someone unashamed of comic books.

Guess you ARE the kind of person who thinks the Hulk should just be a split personality of Banner with no powers.

 

Hulk is a guy who turns green when he is angry. Batman is a guy who fights crime to avenge his parents. Hulk is not a guy who fights crime, and Batman is not a guy who fights giant monsters.

EDIT: Get out of here with that "ashamed of comic books crap". I am as ashamed of bad comic books as I am of bad novels and bad movies.

 

That's not "grounded".

Tell that to Killer Croc, Clayface, Killer Moth, Man-Bat...

Well it's true. MCU was making movies about Thor and Cap while DC struggled to get a Superman movie out.

 

That same MCU that clearly made Thor an alien instead of Norse God? Sounds like you are arguing for grounded now.

 

Oddly enough, that’s all he seems to do in the DCEU.

 

The comics themselves started that in Earth X years ago. They used "Extradimensional Alien" and "God" interchangeably. Like how DC keeps alternating between the New Gods being Gods or really powerful Aliens.

 

New DCEU team-up movie announced:

 

And yet the Dark Knight is better than anything the MCU has ever crapped out

LOL!!! Other than Avengers 1, Guardians 1, Cap 1 and 2 and Ironman 1, the majority of the MCU has been forgettable garbage.

No thanks.

 

True. The greatest comic book movies -- Donner's Superman, Jenkins's Wonder Woman -- elevate the genre by fully embracing its pop-mythic essence with intelligence, humor, and heart.

 

No, it just came at the right time when there was no competition so no one knew any better and Heath Ledger dying made it impossible to properly criticize the film. And it appealed to people ashamed of comics, and back in 2008 there were a lot of them.

Put it out today, people would be more than willing to point out the films flaws. Like the BS Philosophies it tries to espouse.

No, just not for people ashamed of comics. Snyder talks crap about Thor and Ant-Man, yet both of those films have survived better than his DC Universe has.

Stay in the past. The rest of us have moved on.

Yep. Films like Iron Man and the Captain America movies too.

Though I do think they limited WW too much by killing off the Greek Gods the way they did, it means we won't get something cool like Diana fighting off an army of the dead controlled by Hades or something.

 

Little ray of hope?

 

It was...ok that Flash was portrayed as being so young, but he appeared to be nearly autistic, at least at first. I don't know if that was the fault of the writing or the actor, but it was annoying to me.

 

It's probably the writers figuring that someone who moves so much faster than everyone else would act differently too.
Or they were trying to ape Quicksilver from the FoX-Men films.

 

PUH-LEEZ! It came out during the era of the Xmen and the Spiderman movies. Not to mention the Superman and Batman movies had come out years before.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

And you're basing this off of what? What evidence do you have that people were ashamed of comics?

 

The X-Men movie trilogy ended in 2006 and the first Spidey trilogy ended in 2007. No real competition in 2008.

It's the truth. I just was never that enamored with Dark Knight or Joker to be blinded by his death the way most were. He wouldn't have won his Oscar if not for dying either.

That every movie that came out before the MCU really got into the over-the-top stuff kept going for a "grounded" aesthetic. They were too ashamed to try anything more impressive.

Hey, it's true. Ragnarok alone has beaten the entire Justice League.

Anyways, on-topic:

They screwed up their own timeline. They said in the movie that the Mother Boxes only became active after Superman died...

...But the videos Bruce and Diana watched clearly showed an ACTIVE Mother Box creating Cyborg. And those videos were all LONG before Superman died.

And if they were tied to Superman somehow, why didn't they activate before he ever arrived? They'd been on Earth for thousands of years, he'd only been there the last 33.

 

I really think Justice League was a quick rewrite from the original plan. They had originally mentioned it being two movies but the reaction was bad so they changed it. But maybe the original plan was that the bad guy brings back Superman and now he’s evil. The League has to work together to fight him and eventually break his programming, revealed to be Darkseid. Superman, back to normal, rejoins the League and the second film is the whole team working to fight him. At some point, the Knightmare is hinted as a possible future if the League loses in the first film. Maybe the Flash going back can be fit in as some move to stop Superman while he’s evil.

It would have basically been a poor copy of that last episode of the Superman DC Animated Universe finale. But maybe we get to see Superman completely unleash his powers on Darkseid which hopefully would have been cool and not poorly animated, lit, composited and color graded.