The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Part

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  1. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    The Visitor, Our Man Bashir, Sons Of Mogh, For The Cause, Hard Time, The Quickening, and To The Death are all much better in my view.
     
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  2. Farscape One

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    I am giving "THE JEM'HADAR" one point. A good episode and season finale, but it shouldn't have had the telekinetic Vorta only to never see one like it again. Plus, I think it was Robert Hewitt Wolfe who suggested the title be "THE DOMINION", which sounds more menacing. I think it shoukd have been called that. And, against all the remaining episodes, I feel it is the weakest one.

    Duet - 0
    Necessary Evil - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 2
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  3. BigDaveX

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    I'll give The Jem'Hadar a point as well. A memorable season ender, but the pacing's a bit inconsistent, dragging out a little too much with the Quark stuff at the beginning, and then having the ending feel rushed.

    Duet - 0
    Necessary Evil - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  4. Takeru

    Takeru Space Police Commodore

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    I'll vote The Changing Face of Evil, bringing the Breen in and giving them a super weapon felt a bit weird at that point, the series was wrapping up, there were enough plots and players and Damar had enough reasons to turn even without the Breen being the founders new favorite ally/subject.

    Duet - 0
    Necessary Evil - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  5. DonIago

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    People are starting to make this difficult for me. :p

    I love "The Jem'hadar" and regard it as one of the pivot points of the series, where the show did something it couldn't just take back in the next episode. Seriously, the first time I saw it, when the episode ended I was left with a total sense of "Well, they're screwed."

    "Way of the Warrior" brings in Worf and has the kind of space battles never seen in Star Trek to this point (and one of two times we see DS9's become capable of putting up an actual fight).

    I may draw some fire for this, but I'm going to give a point to "Duet". It's a great episode, don't get me wrong. But if it never existed, we wouldn't miss it because it doesn't have explicit arc storytelling (Kira's development, yes). It sets up an awesome Cardassian who gets killed at the end of the episode (justfiably?). In some ways I feel Legate Ghemor is ultimately a stand-in for Marritza, or an instance of what he could have been.

    Duet - 1
    Necessary Evil - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  6. Garth Rockett

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    Necessary Evil for me. It's a good episode, but if I were to rank these by how likely I'd be to pick them for a random episode rewatch, it would be least likely of this group.

    Duet - 1
    Necessary Evil - 2
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  7. Sakonna

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    I would also give one to Necessary Evil -- I love it, there's just some clunkiness to the mystery plotting for me that makes it a little bit less satisfying than others on here.

    Duet - 1
    Necessary Evil - 3
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  8. Armus

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    A Time To Stand. I wasn't crazy about the Dominion occupation arc that opened season 6.

    Duet - 1
    Necessary Evil - 3
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  9. BlueStuff

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    Lots of diversity in the voting here. I'll point out that as in past iterations of the game, when 48 hours have passed without a vote, the episode with the most points (or in case of a tie, the first episode to have reached that plateau) shall be eliminated and the next round will begin.
     
  10. kkt

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    Necessary Evil is out. I liked it, but it's a four star episode surrounded by five stars. At its heart, it's a conventional mystery story adapted to DS9.

    Duet - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 2
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  11. JirinPanthosa

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    Way of the Warrior again, same reasons. It introduced Worf, that was a good thing. But it introduced him in a very contrived way.

    Duet - 1
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 3
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  12. BlueStuff

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    It's a new round, scores are reset to 0. Here's the current list updated with your vote. Plus I'm voting for The Jem'Hadar because some of the planet scenes dragged a little and the Vorta clearly hadn't been thought through completely yet.

    Duet - 0
    The Jem'Hadar - 1
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  13. Sakonna

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    I'll do A Time To Stand this round. It's so consumed setting up the arc, it doesn't quite succeed as a great episode in it's own right.

    Duet - 0
    The Jem'Hadar - 1
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  14. Farscape One

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    I will pick "THE JEM'HADAR" for the same reasons as I did last round.

    Duet - 0
    The Jem'Hadar - 2
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  15. Takeru

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    Changing Face of Evil, same reason as before

    Duet - 0
    The Jem'Hadar - 2
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  16. Seven of Five

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    The Jem'Hadar again. Still not as good as what's left. ;)

    Duet - 0
    The Jem'Hadar - 3
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 1
     
  17. BigDaveX

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    And there goes The Jem'Hadar. Good episode overall, but it has more issues than the others here.

    Duet - 0
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 0
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 0
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  18. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    A Time To Stand. As I've stated I wasn't a fan of the season 6 opening arc nor am I a fan of season premieres that are more setups than stories in their own right.

    Duet - 0
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 0
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  19. JirinPanthosa

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    Way of the Warrior again, same reasons.

    Duet - 0
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 1
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0
     
  20. Sakonna

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    Time To Stand. I'm just gonna keep hitting it...

    Duet - 0
    Improbable Cause - 0
    The Die is Cast - 0
    The Way of the Warrior - 1
    In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
    A Time to Stand - 2
    Far Beyond the Stars - 0
    Tacking into the Wind - 0
    The Changing Face of Evil - 0