Spoilers R rated content - what does it add?

Who died and made you the thread police?

 

I was just trying to follow the thread of discussion by all means don't let me ask a simple question. Do as you please

 

I'm not interested in engaging with your passive-aggressive bullshit today, Refuge. Go play with someone else.

 

Not seeing what Refuge did to deserve that.

 

Kirk said "Hell", Picard said "merde" and Data said "shit".

Even Spock knew when it was time for a colorful metaphor.

I think people put too much significance into a couple of lines that were played for humor in ST4.

 

Who says swearing is a sign of immaturity? Or a desperate attempt to sound cool? Or a lack of intelligence or any of the assumptions/insinuations that keep being thrown out here? Brilliant scientists and scholars curse. Sophisticated, advanced, progressive cultures swear. Some of the smartest and most talented writers and artists I know swear like sailors when they feel like it. It has nothing to do with education or intelligence or "progress" or anything like that.

It's just a color in the crayon box. Granted, you're not always going to want to scrawl neon green everywhere, but sometimes it's just the right color to add a bit of zest to a piece of art. The right tool for the right job.

Same thing with "fucking" in dialogue or everyday speech.

 

Just on language. Obviously it is something we are taught and with that its social impact. Like ever seen a kid say "Poop!" and Nanna says, naughty Greg But little Gregg or little Refuge got everyone to look. Using a word that the society you have been born into or brought up in deems 'provocative' is not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof. No of course not. More (in my opinion) a sign of emphasis and attention getting. Of course if the word is no longer in that category then that is redundant, it has no more weight than 'very' or some other adjective or qualifier.

It seemed to me it was used in Discovery to emphasise a moment, partly Tilly being excited and partly I think she was trying to seem cool, like that kid seeing how everyone will look.

 

Tilly IS Fucking cool

 

In what universe?

 

Where the burritos flow like wine and rubber mattresses are all hypoallergenic.

 

Funny

 

She needs a bow tie. Bow ties are cool.

 

Indeed. I live in a fairly progressive country that - while not perfect - celebrates equality and heavily protests pretty much anything negative or backwards. We've also got that art and culture thing down, despite the view of us all being a bit Groundskeeper Willy.

And yet, colourful metaphors are inserted into nearly every sentence. And we've done alright.

 

Well if the colourful metaphors (fucken cool, kind of a metaphor) have enriched Discovery so much how come they've only use one... once?

 

Twice.

 

I think the gory content, such as the eviscerated Klingons on the sarcophagus ship or the creepy trek through the Glenn with the grisly, twisted crewmembers, adds a sense of dread and danger that place the characters in a situation where their lives truly feel in danger.

I could do without any further F-bombs, however. I just don't think they have any place in Trek, especially in an on-duty, professional situation. In a more casual scenario, I could tolerate it -- say, if Tilly had a few peeps over to her quarters and she was recounting something that happened at a party the previous night: "Anyway, there I was weaving through the crowd like a snake -- a snake with legs, obviously, because, you know, I don't actually slither -- and some guy comes out of nowhere and spills his drink all over my chest, and I was like, 'what the fuck, man!'." I think that kind of f-bomb drop would be more acceptable, and funny, IMO, rather than the out of place, ooh-look-what-we-just-did situation we did get.

 

My personal experience in the working world leads me to lean toward this line of thinking as well. But I have always worked in offices. These people don't. They are in the space navy. And "swearing like a sailor" is a very real phenomenon.

Kor

 

Well, shiver me timbers!

 

That in part is what doesn't make sense. Like if it is professional work practice in Year Dot to refrain from swearing then show that. If it is acceptable work practice to swear like a sailor show that. It hasn't been portrayed as a vision of the future as such. Fine if it is an expression of excitement then there should be MORE of them because that is the social language Discovery is presenting. The way it came off was this expression of try hard 'coolness' but more it felt like a production point to give a nod to its censorship rating.

(Oh and you're right about the Navy swearing thing! My husband was in the Navy and he doesn't swear very often in front of me, but I used hear the odd expletive when he was with his mates).