Ok I'll say it- I like the DSC Klingons

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  1. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Klingon religious crusade...yawn...

    Also where did this 24 houses thing come from (surely it should be 47)? And since when did they have a caste system?
     
  2. Tomalak

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    They've always had a caste system, with warriors at the top. They have scientists, doctors, artists, chefs and farmers, but they aren't seen in the same way as warriors.
     
  3. FreddyE

    FreddyE Captain Captain

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    It might be me...but did anybody else think that the Klingon sounds somehow different? Softer...less brutal..I´d say.
     
  4. Mel Tenorio

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    I found that the klingon dialogue in the pilot episodes added a lot of character to the klingon scenes.
     
  5. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah i thought so too it also felt more formal and dignified
     
  6. cultcross

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    We've heard from Klingons in non warrior caste before that talk about being looked down on, and fans have long speculated that a sort of warrior class must exist to explain how 99% of the Klingons we meet are "warriors" and not janitors, cooks, teachers, doctors, or anything else you need for a society to run. The suggestion being that the Klingons we meet are those who leave their home planet like the crusaders of old in search of glory and honour on the battlefield, leaving the other classes at home to run the Empire, and consequently rarely being seen by outsiders.
     
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  7. somebuddyX

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    A caste system was going to be used all the way back in Phase II. Klingons was the name of the warrior caste, scientists are called technos and then it sounds like there was a worker caste called subjects. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kitumba
    They do mention a different type of caste system in Enterprise I'm pretty sure, either in the one where Archer goes to Klingon court or the one where they create the TOS looking Klingons.
    I always wanted there to be multiple looking Klingons, like the TOS, TMP, TNG, Into Darkness all existing alongside each other.
     
  8. Agony_Boothb

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    Martok was denied the chance to be an officer because he was of low birth and came from the wrong province. Sounds like a caste system to me
     
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  9. F. King Daniel

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    ENT: "Judgement" spells out the Klingon caste system.
     
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  10. Bad Thoughts

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    I could not agree more. The diction and rhythm of the Klingon speaking patterns sapped their scenes of their energy. It made it obvious just how polemical the Klingon scenes were, when they really should not have been. Indeed, one of my biggest complaints about the pilot episodes is that they went too far to explain the new Klingon attitude. A lot of that could have been mysteries to be unraveled in future episodes and given to more character development in the Federation crew.
     
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  11. EmoBorg

    EmoBorg Commodore Commodore

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    I agree. The Klingon background was interesting. We saw T'Kuvma's background story. I want to see Kol and Voq back story as well. Knowing the motivations of these new Klingon will certainly help the show. A well developed antagonist is good for the story arc.

    The Klingons see the Federation as a two-faced rising power.
     
  12. JasonJ

    JasonJ Commander Red Shirt

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    I think the Klingons should continue to speak Klingon (Remain Klingon!), with subtitles. As much as it pains me to read them to my 5yr old, translating the words he wouldn't understand. .....

    I also think that the restricted movement in their faces works, particularly as they speak English.. they don't do it really well, it is an alien language to them.. so that makes sense. I personally saw lots of emotion in their faces, expressed through the lips, cheeks, and eyes... plus, with the semi-permanent scowl with teeth exposed, they seem more vicious of an enemy, a dangerous species.
     
  13. Kor

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    The Klingon caste system was finally touched upon in the ENT episode that was a ripoff of ST6:TUC.

    The Klingon lawyer lamented that the warrior class was gaining such prominence. And in his typical ignorant manner, Archer asked, "There are other classes??" :eek:

    And then in "Divergence," the Klingon doctor talked about what a scandal it was when he became a doctor, because his family was warrior caste.

    Kor
     
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  14. Brian

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    I agree. They look like full-head masks. It makes identifying supporting individuals whom you don't see that often difficult. And combined with the gnarly teeth, it looks extremely hard to emote in them.
     
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  15. shady12

    shady12 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think what they did with the Klingons is the worst misstep I can think of any fictional franchise taking. I find it dumbfounding.
     
  16. Awesome Possum

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    Hell, Worf changed from season to season.
     
  17. Tomalak

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    And not just the hair! The season one makeup is completely different to the later DS9 look.
     
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  18. Kor

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    To me, Worf's changing forehead can be explained away as increased boniness as he aged.

    Kor
     
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  19. Tomalak

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    Doesn't explain the All Good Things flashback scenes though. ;)
     
  20. Kor

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    I think the whole thing was a Q illusion. :nyah: That would also explain the various other discrepancies in ATG.

    Kor
     
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