*Why* are TNG Seasons 1 & 2 Bad?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Emperor Norton, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. Prax

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    I didn't like that jacket thing. They should have all worn something different for away missions maybe, but why is Picard the only guy walking around on the ship with bloused boots?
     
  2. Nakita Akita

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    Airborne?????
     
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  3. Prax

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    :lol:A 3 week course on Starbase 79. An answer to Picard's mid-life crisis.
     
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  4. Ridcully

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    Carve it out in stone writing, akward deliveries, odd "perfect" lives.....(who gives a shit about perfect?? It is so deeply uninteresting).....TNG was something that worked due to the cast being good together, today it would have been cancelled after 20secs into the pilot! (allthough there are some pretty bad stuff out there, that is even worse these days!)


    It had its charm here and there, but even back then it annoyed me to no end at times!
    I liked enough to get them all on VHS back then...haha
    But I do not think that all of it has aged all that well.....

    I loved when they where allowed to goof off now and then :)
    And then there is those useless shields.....
    Man the never ending nonfunctioning tech...bad plot devices!

    Anyways this just how I view it, loved the show nevertheless!
    It left enough for the imagination here and there, they had 7 uneven years, but it is ok!
    Loved the more grounded episodes, and the ones with some grit to them!

    Otherwise I would not have bought all those VHS tapes :D
    I am happy that I can watch it on Netflix these days, the winding of tapes was somewhat annoying!
    And they did not like that treatment much either!
     
  5. Handsomeyoungensign

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    whoa. thats an interesting thing... as we were jus debating in the episode Parallels.. and I loved the episode Time Squared too.. ahhhh I just love time travel.. and theres that one Timescape later on too.. This is an interesting one... I am forced to agree.. that particular part makes no sense... If Picard is shot, I do not believe he can come back in the alteration version.. which is actually different than Parallels where worf never was dead... and what about that one 7 season.. Eye of the Beholder when Trois empathic dream almost kills her off.. hmmmm thats a good one.. changed my perspective of Time Squared but doesnt Picard have a little talk around that at end "maybe he was sent back here so that we could make the different choice.."

     
  6. Ghrakh

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    I have to agree. They should have dressed for away missions like TOS and nuTrek did.
     
  7. CorporalCaptain

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    TOS didn't really do that. In "The Cage" there were the jackets, but those weren't used afterwards. When landing parties* weren't disguised in native clothing, or in spacesuits that one time in "The Tholian Web," or in those other suits they used that other time in "The Naked Time", they wore their regular uniforms.

    * - TOS had landing parties, not away teams. ;)
     
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  8. GulBahana

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    The second season has more good episodes than the first season so it did get gradually better. By the 3rd season it seemed the actors were more comfortable and the writing more focused. Seasons 1 and 2 had a lot of stories that were all over the place and it makes sense after watching the Chaos on the Bridge Doc. Writers were getting replaced left and right.
     
  9. TrekkieRiker

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    I agree to a degree, I like them too, but I like the seasons 3-5 as much. After 5, not so much but still good :-) But yes they could have worked a bit more on the roles.
     
  10. JRoss

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    They are bad because of the influence of Leonard Maizlish, Gene Roddenberry and Maurice Hurley
     
  11. Herbert

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    Like home and away uniforms? The away uniforms could have had their last names on the back just below the neck ;)
    Seriously though, I never understood the jacket thing myself. To me, it seems to make more sense that if you want the ship's captain to stand out from the crew, give him/her a uniform in a color only worn by captains.
     
  12. BillJ

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    Maurice Hurley ran the show during season two, which was when it really found its voice. He also created the Borg, and wrote the episode "Q, Who" (one of Trek's very best outings, regardless of series). He also took his name off of "Hide and Q", placing his pen name "C.J. Holland" on the episode. He was likely a bastard behind the scenes from what I hear. But he wasn't in the same league as Roddenberry and his attorney.
     
  13. BillJ

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    But then you have to create a unique uniform every time a guest captain appears.
     
  14. Herbert

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    No, every captain gets the same color. It's a color only worn by captains
     
  15. BillJ

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    Then you have to create a uniform for each guest captain. Unless you plan on them all being men and Patrick Stewart's size.
     
  16. Herbert

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    Considering how many different sizes they needed to have of all types of uniforms, that shouldn't have been an issue.
     
  17. BillJ

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    But it would be money spent for something that rarely occurs. With the variant they gave Stewart, they only needed one. It doesn't clash with anything that captain's continue to wear a standard uniform they already had in abundance.
     
  18. Herbert

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    I agree with regards to the cost of it. I just think a captains color would make more snese.
    I also hated that stupid jacket
     
  19. BillJ

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    I know the enemy would love it. They'd know exactly who to kill. ;)
     
  20. Sakonna

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    They already created a uniform for every guest admiral without much trouble, a captain uniform could have worked the same.