Please...no revenge this time.

I don't know, I would like to see kelvin timeline Sybok and Michael make an appearance^ as long as no one is fighting with God, and Sybok is not messing up with everyone's mind.

 

I meant Trek V has no significant revenge motive. I quite like the movie, despite its shortcomings and I like Sybok.

 

My post was in reference to the last 6 Star Trek films (ST VIII-XIII) being about revenge. The only other revenge film in among the 13 Trek films is TWOK (ST II).

The TOS crew did 6 films and only 1 of them was about a guy wanting revenge.
The TNG crew did 4 films and 2 of them were about guys wanting revenge.
The Reboot crew has done 3 films and all of them are about guys wanting revenge.

Hey, Hollywood writers. Try telling stories again, instead of aping a story from the 80s.

 

Nemesis wasn't a revenge villain movie. Shinzon wanted Picard's blood, and he promised the Romulan military a attack on Earth in exchange for support in his coup.

 

Star Trek V is a pretty classic TOS story fighting to get out of a terrible film.

Star Trek VI is a revenge film against V.

 

This is why I have such respect for Star Trek 4. They created a good Star Trek movie with out a villain.

I would like to see the crew work together to solve a problem or something as opposed to fighting another "bad guy". If you're going to have a villain it should have a multi-movie story arc so it doesn't feel like another one-off villain of the week story. The extra time allows you to dig deep into the characters

 

I would love to see the next Trek movie deal with exploring space, akin to what [I think Orci floated some years ago] where the adversary would be space itself ie: journeying into the unknown, the Enterprise having to traverse an unknown section of space, encounter extreme space-faring conditions, etc...

I remember it being discussed as a potential plot driver, prior STBeyond (I think)?

Wish I could remember the quote...

 

The one thing about having an antagonist is that they provide the voice of whatever you're up against - they speak for the other side, so you're not just battling a mute force. I suppose we could have crew in-fighting, though, about how to handle something.

Having an antagonist who's not bad, just opposed to their cause, but teachable, shows that sometimes you can redeem the person who's against you, and sometimes they change you. Sometimes you both learn more than you knew or believed about life and the universe.

 

There's plenty of good Star Trek stories that have been made with out a villain (in a traditional sense). Not having a standard villain doesn't mean you're fighting a mute force, and that doesn't mean you need crew infighting.

 

You can't argue with a non-sentient asteroid. Only about what to do with it.

Which reminded me of this quote from Everybody Loves Raymond:

 

I've said a bunch of times...if they really wanted to knock the ball out of the park with one of these nuTrek movies by making a fun, action-packed adventure while also appeasing Trek fans...they could go a very simple and obvious route:

Borrow the formula from Raiders of the Lost Ark and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and adapt it to the Trek universe!

Write an adventure story about the Enterprise racing to various exotic locations on a treasure hunt of some kind (sci-fi wonder and all that). Have the villains be evil competitors. Plot twists, wise cracks, hero gets the girl, swashbuckling...but also discovery on alien worlds and a good sci-fi premise.

I would think this would practically write itself...and would be so much fun.

But, alas. I am but a wee fanboy.

 

^Reminds me of The Chase.

 

The Grail cup could be the thing that restores Shatner-Kirk to Pine-Kirk in the cold open scene remake of the Deadly Years. I love it when a plan comes together.

 

Right- except much better written, with a $180M budget, and far more adventure/fun.

And a much less stupid ending.

But, same idea. I actually thought "The Chase" was the TNG episode with the most unrealized potential. Great idea...lousy follow-through. Should have at least been a 2-parter.

 

I would like to see a Star Trek movie based around fleet combat, but no big bad villain, no lone ship saves the day. The idea would be to kind of get lost in the bigger event of a whole war, but also emphasize how team work of the whole fleet works. But, that chance was missed with Into Darkness, since the budget will be smaller for the fourth film. Besides, more than that though I would like to see a story about the crew unlocking a mystery, seeking truth, and experiencing wonder.

When I watched Interstellar the first thought which occurred to me was, I wish this was a Star Trek film. It combines wondrous scifi elements with a fairly basic father-daughter story, without using the scifi elements purely as window dressing.

 

I was thinking something a bit more ambitious, The Chase could have benefitted from being stretched out to a story arc of three to four episodes.

The sci-fi aspect is actually the weakest part of Interstellar, IMO. It's so generic and predictable. Indeed, my first time seeing the movie I went in "clean" with no spoilers and had the whole thing figured out within forty minutes.

 

I'm not sure what your point is. Good Trek has been made with out a standard villain. I watched Yesterday's Enterprise the other day. They don't argue with any villain in it.

 

Bit of a non-sequitur.


Secondly, what would the plot line of an asteroid work that even Kelvin universe tech could not deal with?

 

Keep magical time travelling bookcases from the Nth dimension out of Star Trek, please.

 

To have a film, you need to debate something, whether or not you have an enemy or merely an obstacle. Of course you can have no villain.