News New EW Issue Details Bryan Fuller’s DISCOVERY Departure

Comes across as a tool. Wanted to have his hand in all the cookie jars and couldn't deliver. That's what I've been saying for a long time. Then his last comment about his feelings on the trailer. If you can't complete the show you have no business criticizing that they don't follow your vision.

 

This is also important, imo. Like, does it matter that the pre-production problems were a bit worse than I thought several months ago? Not really.

 

I was actually happy reading that because I have always hated Star Trek's allegories with a passion.
"Why are the green bunnies abusing the blue bunnies?"
"The green bunnies think they are better than the blue bunnies, they think the blue bunnies are less intelligent and need the green bunnies to tell them what to do, some even think the blue bunnies aren't actually bunnies, they think they're some kind of ape bunnies who learned how to talk!"
"But that's wrong, my sensors show that except for the color of their fur there's no differences between the bunnies!"
"The green bunnies don't care!"
"That's EVIL!"
"Yes, it is! But see, you are an enlightened human and we humans have learned from our mistakes, a long time ago in the dark ages of the early 21st century we were quite similar to the bunnies ... "

Excuse me while I barf into my cereal.

I'm not bothered by them dropping the complex story either, often more simple stories are more focused, more personal and actually better. Some of Star Trek's most memorable episodes are quite simple when it comes to the story.
"Data is ordered to do something he doesn't want to do and a court has to decide if he has rights", "the Borg attack and kidnap Picard, the Enterprise crew has to stop the borg and also save the captain", "Kira interrogates a suspected war criminal while Odo investigates who he really is".
Those aren't complex stories, some surprises and twists are thrown in but at their core they're quite simple.

But both had/have the advantage of being set in the present or near future of earth, real locations could be used without problems for many episodes, costumes can be bought in stores etc.

For Star Trek that's not possible, if Discovery's second season had skipped forward a few decades that would have required all new props, costumes, heavily rebuild and redressed sets, new ship designs, new visual effects etc., you have to update everything. That's way more expensive.

I also think part of the reason Trek looked as good as it did was that at least fornthe later shows they knew they'd run for several years and initial costs would amortize over time.
Would DS9s promenade have been as expansive as it was had they known it would be used for 13 episodes before the series moves to a new location? Or would we have gotten a smaller version with a small Quark's (forget three levels) a sickbay and then a sharp turn with blinking lights just around the corner.
When they moved from TNG to Voyager would engineering have been rebuild so extensively that it looked like a new set or would they have paid for a new warp core and the rest would have been "new carpet, paint he walls gray and move the pool table to the location of Geordie's 'cubicle'" with only the window disappearing? Would there even have been an engineering? Because if you only do 13 episodes you have a pretty good idea what sets you need, so you only build the ones you need, not the ones you might need down the line because there is no down the line.

 

I am very glad they're not doing an anthology show. I want a continuing series with the same characters, not a new bunch every season where anyone I liked gets tossed aside.

 

I really don't like the "anthology"-concept for Star Trek. Star Trek basically already IS an anthology show! Every week there is a different, new type of adventure! The only connecting things are the characters. Take that away, and it leaves you with... what? Stories how the uniforms switched yellow and red during the 100 years between TNG and TOS?

My biggest disappointment now, is that the new series will be centered around the most obvious, weakest of those anthology shows - war with the klingons. Didn't we have seen that before?

 

I want a good show. An anthology series wouldn't have bothered me.

 

No, no, no. That's what caused Trek burnout.

 

That's not what caused a Trek burnout. The burn out was caused by lousy writing and the same people handling the reigns for too long. Each series should have it's own writers and producers to keep things fresh. Two series airing simultaneously shouldn't be a problem at all.

 

I know. Anything can be entertaining if done right. Good ideas can fail miserably, bad ideas can become wonderful in the right writers hands.

 

100% agree. Berman n co. got caught up in what GR wanted starting w TNG (trying to reimage ST from TOS due to GR selling his stake in it away) after his passing n bogged down in technobable n stale ness of rigid paint by numbers Trek they smothered the fun and originality out ofTrek.

To paraphrase Kirk in ST Generations - they were so caught up.in it they couldn't see past their own writting room......

Agree each show shoukd have own writting team

 

Sorry, but that's incorrect. I was at cons for almost 30 years. I've talked to people since. I do a podcast where many people have written in over the last six years. There was *serious* Trek burnout. "What, ANOTHER show?". I had serious Trek fatigue myself because you need time to breathe and we weren't getting that.

 

A case of "how can I miss you if you won't go away."

 

You had three overlapping series for 21 seasons (~17 years consecutively?) plus another 4 season show starting almost before Voyagers finale aired.
I enjoyed trek and I never went or cared to go to cons, i just like a good show to watch.

 

Exactly. I can see the TNG/DS9 overlap, but Voyager came out too soon. We needed a break, some time to reflect. So we had overlap from two shows, then TNG ended, and now another overlap. I think if Voyager came out two years after DS9 ended it might have done better.

 

You have a point. I have serious superhero movie fatigue. I don't even bother going to see 90% them in theaters now. Sick of it. It's just too much.

 

Oh, and don't forget that B5 was on during all this, too. I'm not interested in whether or not people liked it, but for those of us that did, now you had THREE shows on at the same time. And before someone says "oh, you can't watch more than one show?" - it's not that. Sure, we could watch Mad About You and Rosanne, but to have three shows on that you need to reflect on and talk about (usenet!) each week was causing fatigue.

 

"You caught so caught in think about whether or not you could, you forget to think about if you should!"

Or something like that.

 

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The more I read about what Mr. Fuller really wanted - I am HAPPY CBS showed him the door. I'm sure we would have seen the TOS era further retconned to be in line with his 24th century era ST:VOY <--- No thanks. Also, sorry to say, I was not impressed with his work on American Gods either - YMMV.

 

Incorrect for you maybe, and for some others, not for everyone.