DCEU Unanswered Questions/Plotholes (Wonder Woman Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by slappy, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. Thestral

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    You know, I just thought of a good reason to see a WW2 era "mystery men" movie with Diana running a proto-League... a Society, you might say.

    It could be fascinating to see her dealing with the fallout of Ares' plan and realizing that despite her defeating him and saving the day his plan bore fruit anyway with a "peace they couldn't keep." So in the end, Diana advocates for something more affirming, like rebuilding war-torn Europe rather than letting old wounds fester.

    Though so as not to lose focus on her as the central character slot them in to a similar number and similar amounts of time as Trevor and his trio.
     
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  2. Grendelsbayne

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    There's no reason to even believe anyone was capable of contacting Stark in WS. Hydra had ears everywhere. A phone call or showing up on Tony's doorstep would've been a spectacular way to get caught and let the bad guys win.

    Likewise, in IM3, all the action is centered around Tony himself, and he deliberately chooses not to share because he's kind of unstable and trying to prove something to himself. Hulk spends his whole movie trying to hide. Ant-man doesn't trust Stark to do the right thing. Dr. Strange has absolutely no need of any 'normal' Avengers. Thor, in London, is dealing with a power the other Avengers aren't equipped to fight.

    The combination of short time frames and heroes choosing not to involve others is more than enough to explain all of the MCU movies so far.

    As for Diana - how is she even supposed to know where to go? Unless people are expecting her to fly into orbit and take out the ships directly (can she even fly in space?), she had absolutely nothing to react to until after the fight started, and at that point if she were in the wrong place, she just couldn't get there in time, anyway.

    The only real problem movie so far in this regard is Suicide Squad. That one goes out of its way to establish the Flash as actively collering bad guys on multiple continents and Batman actively hunting down bad guys in the US, then specifically states that an entire US city has been taken over by metahumans and totally evacuated with the Squad only arriving on the ground several days after the incident starts.

    Edit: looking at the film again, it seems 1 and 1/2 to 2 days would be more accurate. Still a very long time.
     
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  3. dahj

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    It doesn't, Captain Boomerang was in Central City.

    He was in Gotham for both the Deadshot and Joker/Harley scenes, so not sure what you're referring to there either...

    It was initially publicly covered up as a "terrorist attack", that's even what the soldiers and the Squad were expecting when they went in. With the swirly thing in the sky, they probably had to eventually reveal the true nature of the attack.

    It's the same day. The attack begins during the day, the Squad arrives in the evening.

    Suicide Squad has some nonsense plotting, but they actually covered these points rather well.
     
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  4. TREK_GOD_1

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    It still seems like convenient, lazy writing on the MCU's part; in a critical situation like that in The Winter Soldier (where thousands around the world were marked for execution), I have to imagine Fury would have employed some back up plan to be able to reach Stark for this kind of all-or-noting situation. Moreover, from the previous movies where heroes are nowhere to be found, it might seem just as convenient that these busy heroes are all (suddenly) dropping everything to reassemble at a moment's notice for Infinity War.
     
  5. Grendelsbayne

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    Except it's arguable whether Stark is even active as Iron Man at this point (Tony confirms in Civil War that he was trying to stop at the end of IM3 and states that he started again because of the sceptre pre: AoU) and arguable whether Stark is even worth the risk of trying to contact him. He's a bit unpredictable. His performance against the Mandarin was quite bad. His family history/personal history with Shield could cloud his judgement.

    And looking for problems in the setup of a movie that isn't even finished filming yet is just ridiculous. Especially since the movies you're talking about are set in a time in the MCU when the Avengers didn't stick together (Post A1, they all go their separate ways), but IW is coming on the heels of civil war which pretty clearly ended with 2 Avengers teams that seemingly were not just going to break apart.

    Honestly, if there were any movie I'd be worried about in this regard in the MCU right now, it would be Ant-Man and the Wasp, since it's hard to see how Scott can have another solo adventure from where he currently is. But that would also be premature since that movie is coming after IW, so we have no idea what position he will actually be in at that point.

    Ah, I thought it was Australia. But it doesn't matter really.

    I'm referring to the fact that both Batman and the Flash are clearly active in the US and have the capability to go where they want in the US in very little time at all (we already saw the batplane in BvS).


    Well, first of all the movie clearly shows civilians filming the attack before the terrorist thing even gets mentioned. Secondly, the terrorist excuse doesn't help anything. An entire US city had to be evacuated. Batman and the Flash really ought to show up, even if all they were doing was helping evacuate and rescue people.


    The attack begins during the day. Flagg goes into Midway City with the Enchatress at night. Flagg then goes back out of Midway City and meets the Squad at the airport in broad daylight and then everyone flies back into the city at night.
     
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  6. DigificWriter

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    Enchantress gets away from Flagg the night before the Squad goes to Midway City, but their mission itself happens in a single day, so at most the entire thing goes down in a period of 24 hours.
     
  7. Grendelsbayne

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    I wasn't talking about how long their mission lasts, I was talking about the amount of time between the start of the incident with Incubus and the end of the movie.
     
  8. DigificWriter

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    As was I.
     
  9. Grendelsbayne

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    The incident starts in the day. Enchantress defects at night. The airport is during the day. The mission goes into the night. It can't possibly be only 24 hours. Even if it were, thats already a problematic amount of time.
     
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    Enchantress gets away from Flagg at night, resurrects Incubus, and starts making soldiers; Flagg alerts Waller and meets the Squad at the airport, and they arrive at Midway City to extract Waller at night, after which point the Squad goes into that bar and ends up deciding to go stop Enchantress and Incubus. All of this happens in a 24-hour period.
     
  11. Grendelsbayne

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    Maybe so (though not fully clear from the movie), but Incubus starts attacking the subway before Enchantress gets away from Flagg. That is obviously the start of the incident in MC. She and Flagg are only in Midway City because they're supposed to stop Incubus.
     
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    Enchantress takes over June, finds Incubus a host, and then goes back into June for a few hours before taking over June again and breaking away from Flagg.
     
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    They evacuated that entire city in just a few hours? Impressive.
     
  14. Turtletrekker

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    At the speed of plot.
     
  15. Nerys Myk

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    Midway City has the best public transportation system in the country. Runs on Nth Metal.
     
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  16. slappy

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    And I disagree. Even after her frustrations stemming from the events in the movie, she's still a person who stands up for people who can't stand up for themselves. Man vs. man is one thing, but Zod was not a man and he was going to destroy the planet. I think it's totally against her character as depicted on screen to have her sit around and do nothing. She acted when Doomsday attacked. She's the same woman 5 years earlier.
     
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    After all the godfight carnage in Man of Steel, the US got their shit in order.