Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by captainkirk, May 18, 2017.

  1. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Why is one crazy for not interpreting the material the way others do? I've asked this question before, and no one answered. I'm someone that considers TMP, TNG and Enterprise all soft reboots of the franchise.
     
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  2. Prax

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    We'll have to wait and see. This isn't a soft reboot of the aesthetic, it's a reboot of the format. This is the first big budget Star Trek miniseries.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    You're inventing new terms.

    It's either a reimagining, or a story set in a parallel timeline, that diverged from the prime time line at some point, which they will explain later.

    Vulcan life spans.

    (I don't go into this forum much. Sorry if this has been brought up.)

    Sure, Discovery may be 10 years before Kirk, but... What if Burnham's memories of the Shenzu are from 10 years after Archer?
     
  4. Serveaux

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    Uh, "reimagining" is a term that was newly invented not too many years ago - and it doesn't really mean anything. It's marketing-speak.
     
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  5. uniderth

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    We haven't had Star Trek on TV since 2001. And we haven't had a Star Trek movie since 2002.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    NuBSG was 2004.

    I know that we are old as dirt, but 13 years ago is hardly a few heart beats... Or is the word older than that?

    Oh.

    Miriam Webster dates the word's origin st 1825.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reimagine

    Well.

    I'm put in my place. :)
     
  7. Serveaux

    Serveaux Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    Actually, it dates the first use of the word reimagine from 1825.

    The use of the term "reimagining" to obfuscate about remakes and reboots isn't much more than a decade old.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    Galactica destroyed the Natonalists and Eastern Alliance's atomic arsenals in Experiments in Terra, so what happened 3 months later when the Cylons turned up?
     
  9. Jayson1

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    The difference is this is a show set way to close to "TOS." I tell you that those big time gaps between "TOS" to "TNG" and "Enterprise"to "TOS" make a hge difference.
    Imagine what fans would have thought if "TNG" had been set 10 years after "TOS."
    What this show is doing is kind of similar to what "Baywatch Nights " did when it went from a detective story to a cheesy sci-fi show or "War of the Worlds" went from a contemporary show to a post apocoloptic world in it's second season. To much change in to short of a time to believe.
    I think you need at least a 20 year gap between any old show if you want to change things on this level. That way alterations can be accepted as things that changed through the passage of time.
    I think the look would easily look like something 20 years after "Enterprise" or 20 years after "Voyager." It's still close enough to look like old Trek might have evolved into this but advanced enough to feel modern to a contemporary audience.

    Jason
     
  10. Jayson1

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    I agree with TMP and TNG but not Enterprise. Enterprise still felt like Berman Trek to me. I do agree this show should be seen as a reboot. I think the level of how soft or hard it is depends how how they use canon and how many old characters are recasted.

    Jason
     
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    On a BSG board many moons ago I mentioned how absurd, unrealistic and silly it was that Galactica would really leave Terra for the real "Earth". Why wouldn't this other Earth be just fine to settle on, and we'll look for the other one later. But on the issue of how improvident it was to leave them to the mercy of any random Cylons who pass by and try to exterminate Terra, I was informed that the Pegasus arrives in the nick of time to save the day and agrees to stay with the Terrans indefinitely to upgrade their tech and protect them.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    Well did Starbuck and Apollo leave those two busted up Vipers on Paradene?

    It wouldn't take too long to reverse engineer those ships, but why would Galactica leave those fighters behind?
     
  13. fireproof78

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    It's funny how Kelvin universe is suddenly became an acceptable alternative (sort of) with DSC. Ah, the good old days when Abrams received death threats and having no Star Trek films was preferable to him continuing on.
     
  14. Captain of the USS Averof

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    Star Trek Beyond happened. It proved that a good Trek movie could be made in the Kelvin universe.
     
  15. Noname Given

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    Not much - hell a lot of the TNG set interiors WERE reused elements and props originally seen in the TOS era feature films. Hell, a LOT id STIV:TUC was filmed on the TNG sets and you could EASILY tell that was the case. :)
     
  16. fireproof78

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    I figured that Trek 09 showed how much fun all types of audiences could have. :shrug:
     
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  17. cultcross

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    Actually there have been severa- oh I see what you did there!
     
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  18. Rahul

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    Oh no, don't get me wrong!
    Creating fan theories and alternative interprations is one of the main hobbies of fandom! And it's super fun, I have many own pet theories about the Trek universe.

    Crazy would be insisting those theorie overwrite actual canon. Because canon, however broken and unrealistic it might be, is still the unifying kit of the Trek universe. You considering something to be different from canon is perfectly fine! You telling somebody it definetely is, that would be weird.

    So what?
    TMP is officially set two years after TOS. EVERYTHING in that movie looks different! The sets, uniforms, starships, transporter effects, the klingons, everything. Still, nobody is insisting that one of those isn't the prime universe.

    If DIS takes place 10 years before TOS, it is allowed to look at least as different from it as TMP did, which was set only 2,5 years. This has happened before. This is nothing new to the franchise.
     
  19. Jayson1

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    I got to admit that 2 year difference is something that has never made much sense. The tech though IMO doesn't really look super advanced to me beyond what we see on "TOS." Maybe that has to do with early 80's tech looking old and obsolete as well. The one added bonus though is it has all the original actors aboard which also helps cover up that illogical 2 year gap.

    Jason
     
  20. fireproof78

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    I feel the same way. I mean, we didn't get a Star Wars movie until 2009 ;)