The New Klingons

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by INACTIVEUSS Einstein, May 18, 2017.

?

Do you like the design of these new Klingons? What was your gut reaction?

  1. I liked them

    127 vote(s)
    46.4%
  2. I did not like them

    147 vote(s)
    53.6%
  1. ichab

    ichab Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2010
    You're right we're not average. We're exceptional. ;)
     
  2. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    They can't wrongfully appropriate something they own.
    That's racist...um, specist ;)
    For some reason, reading the last several posts, I thought of this:
    [​IMG]
    Best Klingon ever. Search your feelings-you know it's true.
     
    Mad Jack Wolfe likes this.
  3. Refuge

    Refuge Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    Lol, I kept thinking that too.. to the point of repetition.

    I've decided I don't like Klingons now. I hate them.
     
  4. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    What is there to hate when we have no context for how these Klingons relate to the larger narrative?
     
  5. { Emilia }

    { Emilia } Cute but deadly Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Location:
    KauaŹ»i
    You and Captain Kirk, both.
    You can never forgive them for the death of his boy.
     
  6. euphorik

    euphorik Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2005
    Location:
    the floor
    i could go either way on this. on first viewing, i didn't care for the re-imagining of the klingons. after a few days of thinking about it, though, i don't see how this is really any different from the far more radical re-imagining of the klingons in TMP, and we all somehow lived through that. i'm a huge fan of the klingons, and while i am not super-crazy about the redesign, i could probably pretty easily learn to live with it provided the show delivers on what's really important - good characterization and storytelling.

    that being said, i can't imagine that there isn't at least *some* degree of context that we're all missing here - the fact that there is a sarcophagus figuring in here somehow suggests to me that there's at least a possibility that the klingons we're seeing are some sort of evolutionary predecessor to the familiar klingons from past productions. the folks writing this show have a lot of experience writing star trek, and i can't believe that - whatever the deal is with these klingons - there won't be some sort of canonical explanation for what's up. i hope so, anyway.
     
  7. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Context is definitely missing.
     
  8. Brainsucker

    Brainsucker Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2007
    Location:
    South East Asia
    I think the fans who can't accept the change are actually TNG fans. People who start to watch Star Trek when TNG was released long time ago. When I read this forum, people who have already become a fan since TOS has accept them. Because they already got a re-imagination phase when TNG released. So what the big deal when the Klingon change again? But TNG fans, they're enrage. Because this Star Trek is different than their Star Trek.

    I, myself a TNG fan, because I start to watch Star Trek in '90 (I'm not American, and Star Trek started to show in my country TV in '90 (I forgot when, 1990, 1991, or 1992). But I will accept this version of Klingon. Because I think TNG Star Trek is already out dated for current time of entertainment; As I also the fan of real world warship. So I can't accept to see the star ship from 23 rd era can't beat Arleigh Burke Flight 2 Destroyer in the matter of sophisticated military hardware and weaponry.
     
    Last edited: May 26, 2017
  9. Refuge

    Refuge Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    ^ I think you are right in that we might have a favorite Klingon and that seeing one so different is part of that gut reaction.
     
  10. fonzob1

    fonzob1 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    What you're saying makes no sense to me. How do you determine from a trailer whether or not you are interested in the production if you're not making some kind of judgment about it?

    The absurd Klingons for starters...
     
    Refuge likes this.
  11. ichab

    ichab Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2010
    Do all humans on Earth look the same? No. We have Italians, Irish, Africans, Mexicans, Asians etc. etc. Yet still a part of the same species.

    Why wouldn't other planets have the same diversity?
     
    BillJ likes this.
  12. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Is it time for a "They all look alike" joke?
     
  13. Tosk

    Tosk Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2001
    Location:
    On the run.
    I dunno man, I remember a lot of TOS fans being pretty adamant that TNG was a huge mistake and shouldn't have been attempted. All kinds of Trek fans can be resistant to change. And each of them are resistant to changing different things.
     
    ichab likes this.
  14. Tarek71

    Tarek71 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2007
    Location:
    Asgard
    They've already said they are reimagining at least some of the aliens in their reboot. So, I'm guessing they may basically say that internally to the ST DSC reboot universe, the Klingons have always looked the way they do in the show, and no attempt will be made to explain the change. That the uniforms are the uniforms of the rebooted/reimagined Pike Era and not the ones from The Cage, etc.
     
    Zonker likes this.
  15. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Depending on the episode, I still am resistant to including TNG in the same world as TOS.
    Just like TMP?
     
    Tosk likes this.
  16. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    America, Fuck Yeah!!!
    I see much of it as reboots starting with TMP.
     
    fireproof78 likes this.
  17. cultcross

    cultcross Postponed for the snooker Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2001
    Location:
    UK
    There have been reboots/reimaginings of Trek at least five times - TMP, TWOK, TNG, ENT and JJTrek. All pretended to be in the same continuity to one extent or another (even the openly acknowledged "parallel timeline" of ST09 is rooted in the same history prior to the Kelvin incident). I don't think a sixth new look is that big a deal.
     
    Manticore and Michael like this.
  18. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    It's interesting to me how quickly the "not real Trek" comes up when a reboot is discussed. The 50 plus years of Trek have seen a lot of visual changes, as you describe. So, yeah, all the common links are focused upon, and any inconsistencies are ignored.

    Not sure how DSC is more egregious here. :shrug:
     
  19. cultcross

    cultcross Postponed for the snooker Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2001
    Location:
    UK
    In my view there are roughly three main Trek universes/timelines/whatever which are broadly internally consistent with some visual/technological updates along the way.
    1. TOS and TAS
    2. The Pre-JJ films, the TNG era and ENT
    3. JJverse

    From what we see of Discovery in the trailer, I'd say it'll end up sitting reasonably well in timeline 2.
     
    CorporalCaptain likes this.
  20. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    America, Fuck Yeah!!!
    I have no doubt of Discovery being "real Star Trek", I just have doubts about it being in the Prime timeline. :techman: