CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

Excellent point. Fair question. The facts show both of them were misinformed and printed and supported the misinformation as fact until the misinformation was busted. Whereupon they both apologized and corrected their mistakes.

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The ever more emotionally satisfying explanation in the short term for each point of view is saying those espousing the other point of view are clearly full of s*t.


But I'm absolutely sure the answer to that question is complicated and has much to do with point of view bias confirmation that comes from interpretation of data being influenced by the naturally formed filters each human develops from life experience to support an individual's, um, wait, I think you once called it individual world view?

So Mr. Lane's mistake was a mistake and Carlos' mistake was a lie.
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The defendant perpetrated a fraud to discredit the author collecting the facts in thiswholething that themselves are not refutable.
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Bad guys vs Good Guys (works well for each point of view)


It is confirmation bias interpreting data through naturally occurring personal filters formed from life experiences.

Here's where the Thread collectively rolls their eyes as I return again to 'the answers in this are really complicated'. And frustrating! And not nearly as fun or emotionally satisfying in the short term, right? No fuel for fireballs we can hurdle at each other. And don't think for even a second that in private conversations I don't verbally explode with the most gosh awful (read emotionally satisfyingly wonderful) expletives and unfiltered judgment pronouncements. 'Cause I do. I verbally punch the wall in my frustrations. Then I dust myself off, wash out my mouth with soap again, and get back to my choice of trying to understand how and why thiswholething is going on.... so I can figure out how I can have a chance of effecting a change.

Because my own point of view is:

 

FanFilmFactor has a long post on Carlos and the fake story:
http://fanfilmfactor.com/2017/04/29/hoist-with-his-own-picard-editorial/#more-4165

 

This probably won't survive moderation, but here's my post to Slow Lane's blog:

 

I've seen this all before...

 

"Awaiting moderation." Convenient, isn't it?

We'll see what passes the filter.

 

Nope. Not gonna read it. Not gonna give him any clicks.

 

Well, the post survived moderation, but no reply yet from Slow Lane or anyone else. Just more blathering from the willingly indoctrinated, the zombified, the drinkers of the sweet, sweet nectar of ignorance that is the bliss of those faithful to the truth of Axanar.

Damn, that's sad.

 

Quoting because I think that's a damn fine piece of wordsmithing.

Further questions on the blog are pending, and I don't expect them to be approved.

 

Against my better judgement, I went to that link, skimmed through it and came across a mention of Gabe Koerner. Out of curiosity, I googled "Gabe Koerner + Axanar" and came across THIS (which did make it all kinda worthwhile):

 

Axanar is the Avatar of fan films: great special effects but in the end no one gives two shits about it.

 

well,.... regarding 'Avatar' I wouldn't say no one

 

Over the years I have seen overzealous fans of certain productions act as if it were their duty to make posts in order to bash another productions. I highly doubt any of these "Bashing Orders" came from any fan production staff members itself. I've chalked it up to simply fans who felt a since of pride and duty to their favorite fan film to tear down another persons work in the hopes it would aid to build up a fan film they have long supported. Sweet bitterness I know but highly illogical.
Still, never in my day have I ever seen as J. Lane has dropped bombshell size innuendos that the executive CEO of a star trek production himself was complicit in setting up a trap and devising a scheme to defame a member of the fan film community.
If true, I could only consider this deception paramount with the infamous 18 minutes of missing tape. As time goes on we may wish to remember this heinous act against all true fan films may have been inadvertently exposed right there on fanfilmfactor.com.

 

I got the answers I expected -- no answers at all.

"Yeah, watch the video." -Slow Lane
"Freaking read for a change." -Informed fan
"donations do not have to produce ANYTHING." -JT

 

Big fan of Avatar here.

Can't say I've ever found Axanar or Renegades interesting.

 

Funny you should mention that. Yes they certainly do, and if Axanar is never made Alec would have to refund everyone's money:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2015/06/dont-let-crowdfunding-be-your-doom

Donors, here's where you file a complaint with the FTC:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

 

File a complaint with the good folks at the California Attorney General's office. They are there to help you.

https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

 

To be fair, that's technically true. Backing any kind of Kickstarter is a gamble. However, the issue comes with then continuing to support a team with such a bad track record, even as they pretend that there's nothing wrong with blowing 7 figures and everything is great.

The fact that Alec still raised 22k, while Tommy Kraft struggles to raise more than 6k is pretty shocking. And perhaps goes to show that if Alec thinks he's going to be able to continue crowd funding his operation using an original property, he may find it a lot harder than he anticipates.

(But then, he did just raise 22k for a studio that was clearly on its last legs, so I clearly don't know what I'm talking about. Regardless of anything else, he's still clearly one heck of a salesman).

 

Not according to the Kickstarter terms, which holds Kickstarter out as an agency and states that any crowdfunding is a contractual relationship between the offerer of the project and the donating party. At the very least perks have to be fulfilled and the donating party is offering consideration on that basis. It's one of the reasons there needs to be more civil litigation relating to crowdfunding to set precedents and fully define the extent of that contractual relationship.

 

If Axanar fails to deliver all those physical perks they might have a hugh refund problem.