Babylon 5: 20 years later

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by tomswift2002, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    Recently I've been rewatching Babylon 5 on DVD. I started with the Prequel movie, "In The Beginning", then went to "The Gathering" and "Midnight On The Firing Line" and so on. I'm currently on what could be called a really pivotal episode, "Point Of No Return" in Season 3 (the episode with Majel Barret-Roddenberry; it's funny, Captain Sheridan mentions the episode takes place on April 9, 2260, 243 years from now in April 2017).

    No then I'm not going to rehash WB's poor choices when it comes to B5 and its DVD quality (although I would like to see B5 upgraded to HD, or at the very least a proper 480p 16:9 upgrade), aside from the quality looking as soft as if it were on a VideoCD (I've got an official VHS of Midnight and the Soul Hunters episode and it looks a lot sharper than the DVD, or other videos that I have seen on VideoCD). But it's amazing how well the story has held up over the last 2 decades.

    Sure there have been a few episodes, but nothing like a lot of more recent series that I've watched where they put the major story episodes in the first four or five episodes of the season and then give you a string of about 8 or 10 filler episodes, followed by another 4 or 5 episodes to wrap up the earlier 4 or 5 episodes and setup the next season.

    But B5 I have found, even with Season 1 where the stories tended to be stand-alone, have been pretty crucial to the story, but there have been a few questionable episodes (like the one with Franklin and the religious couple that wouldn't let him operate on their child for fear of the child's soul escaping through any opening, even though the child was going to die without the operation). Otherwise with B5 every episode provides story and is not filler.
     
  2. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They may have relative plot bits, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're any good. And, in a lot of cases, the important stuff was B or even C-story fodder.

    The show certainly could have benefited from a significant truncation.
     
  3. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    The show was already truncated. Yeah, Season 5 was mostly filler, but that was because everyone thought that the series would be cancelled with PTEN's closure. But originally Season 4 was going to contain more of the Shadow War, and a few story lines that appeared in Season 5, while it was suppose to end with Intersections In Real Time, and then Season 5 would've dealt with the Earth Civil War and setting up the Telepath War and Crusade.
     
  4. teacake

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    I dunno, I think it's pretty much perfect.
     
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  5. RandyS

    RandyS Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Agreed.

    Except for Byron of course.
     
  6. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    OF COURSE

    ew
     
  7. Serveaux

    Serveaux Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    If the story had not been monotonous and repetitive...
     
  8. RomulanCommander

    RomulanCommander Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I agree with Teacake in that Babylon 5 is pretty much perfect, but I think it did have significant truncation. With Michael O'Hare's departure, that radically altered the reveal about who he becomes, which was supposed to happen at the end of the series. Also, Season 4 was heavily truncated, since they didn't know if it would return for season 5 and wanted to tie up the series, in case it was cancelled.

    Fortunately, JMS and created writing really saved the show. It could have easily ended in disaster, but I think it did just fine.
     
  9. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Babylon 5 remains one of the best television series of all time, and it's a tremendous testament to JMS' skills as a writer and storyteller that the show is as adaptable and fluid/flexible as it is given the BtS stuff he ended up having to deal with.
     
  10. Jedi_Master

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    I enjoyed it at the time, but it hasn't aged well.
     
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  11. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

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    The main arc of the show was very well told but some of the writing in individual episodes could be a tad hackneyed.
     
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  12. RomulanCommander

    RomulanCommander Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I don't disagree, but the same could be said for almost any show, including all the Star Trek series.
     
  13. Sybok Was Wrong

    Sybok Was Wrong Commander Red Shirt

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    It's too bad WB hasn't done more to keep its legacy alive, because it's one of the best SF shows ever.

    Visually, it hasn't aged well- but most sci-fi doesn't.
     
  14. Captain of the USS Averof

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    Simply one of the best space operas ever.
     
  15. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    Hard to believe, but according to Ron Thornton from Foundation Imaging, had Warner Brothers only bought a $5000 dollar widescreen monitor (which would've worked out to an extra $75 per episode) for Foundation to check the outputs on, all the CGI could've been produced and recorded to standard-definition videotape in true NTSC widescreen. (http://www.b5scrolls.com/B5ScrollsWorking2a.htm#Screen1_01_5) It wouldn't have been High Definition, but it would've looked a lot better upconverted to High Definition than the current widescreen versions look.
     
  16. RandyS

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    Agreed. I remember when The Lost Tales came out ten years ago I was so excited for it. But then I saw it. I don't think I've ever been that disappointed after looking forward to a show for six months or whatever it was. At least I know I haven't since then.

    Anyway I'm not sure I'd even want a revival now. With so many of the cast having died, it just wouldn't be the same. I think at this point it's best to leave it as a once in a lifetime great show that just happen to have been made twenty years ago.

    I wouldn't be against the novel line being revived though. We don't need the actors for that. Their characters could appear with no problems.
     
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  17. Jedman67

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    A revival wouldn't work but nothing wrong with a reboot, done right. or sequel.
     
  18. Asbo Zaprudder

    Asbo Zaprudder Admiral Admiral

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    I used to argue for Crusade to be revived as it had potential but I think The Expanse is largely covering the same sorts of themes and satisfying my need for a TV space opera that has at least an acceptable level of semirealistic Physics being portrayed. I don't know if the five-season arc for Crusade has ever been publicly revealed by JMS. Perhaps the script books contained those details.
     
  19. RomulanCommander

    RomulanCommander Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I wish Crusade had at least a TV movie to wrap up the loose ends.
     
  20. Asbo Zaprudder

    Asbo Zaprudder Admiral Admiral

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    Crusade was only really just getting started -- it would have been about much more than merely finding a cure for the Drakh plague.

    Found the following speculations about what would have happened:

    http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=31912

    IIRC I also read that Gideon would at some point be killed, be restored to life, and his memories then recovered using the technology of the Apocalypse Box.