Admiral Janeway, your personal thoughts?

If I recall correctly, that was basicly what happened in the novels. The heroes returned to the AQ, but Janeway wasn't squaky clean. So, deskjob it was. Can't really punish her when she's a hero to the people.

 

...The exact value of "instantly" remains debatable, as there's no clear indication of passage of time in that part of the movie. Nor is that timespan clarified in the next movie, for that matter (and that one explicitly features an epilogue that takes place a year later than the bulk of the movie). Or in the one after that.

Timo Saloniemi

 

There definitely wasn't enough time for anyone to earn four to six promotions.

 

Future Spock might have recited a casual list of his own TOS adventures that will still happen in the Kelvin timeline to the Admiralty, which will destroy the Federation or all space/time, unless there is a Kirk shaped counteragent to draw a line in space, and save the day.

Kirk did not "earn" his promotion.

 

My head canon decided that those insane promotions were a publicity stunt that Starfleet cooked up. The cadet screwup son of a famed Starfleet hero who unexpectedly took command of a starship, broke orders, and saves the day regardless? While the ship's previous captain, a long time officer, defied his captors despite the torture he suffered? It's like juicy propaganda waiting to happen. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this was cooked up by Marcus just to make a compelling case for potential recruits on the poster; Jim Kirk was a half baked cadet yet he saved the Federation, enlist!

Pike I felt is a man dissatisfied with Starfleet's more militarized stance yet is willing to be a cog in the machine if it meant one day Starfleet will go back to their exploration days than the peacekeepers they're currently are. Also I thought he was a Rear Admiral...But I am kind of a fool regarding ranks so I might be dead wrong.

But nevertheless, the promotion were pure propaganda in my eyes and at the start of Into Darkness the appeal finally slowed down when Pike is given command of the Enterprise again after Kirk's demotion. I mean of course Pike made Kirk his XO but frankly Kirk did prove his talents that I wouldn't waste. Not to mention I believe Pike could really help Kirk sort out his cockiness.

...Then Pike dies and Kirk learns that his cocky nature to be daring sends people to a grave the hard way.

 

Pike has four pins on each shoulder of his Admiral's uniform in both movies, which would seem clear he is a Four-Star Admiral. Marcus, meanwhile had five pins on each shoulder, suggesting he's a Fleet Admiral.

 

Although, doesn't a fleet captain sorta do the job you would expect of a fleet admiral? So I would expect a fleet admiral to be one of the lower ranks, as far as admirals go.

Checkov's gun.

Admiral Janeway had to have been involved in that Ferengi Scandal.

It's possible that she was on the verge of losing everything, which is why Kathryn finally decided to fix her annoying time boo-boos.

 

In the US Navy, Fleet Admiral is the highest rank, and is represent by five stars. Although the rank only existed in WWII.

 

Personal thought? She was generic Admiral #47. Didn't care one way or the other.

 

Time crimes.

It should be illegal to time travel, it probably is, but you know, self-preservation as what it is, if your future self can be trusted not to be a lying dick, bending the law a little is a good way not to wind up in a world of trouble.

All time travellers from the future, once identified, should immediately be gagged and thrown into a hole.

The moment she went back, Kathryn Janeway didn't have rank or position, because she was a temporal terrorist who could not be trusted.

 

What military stance? And Pike actually said he wanted a less complacent Fleet, so that it could better be the "peacekeeping armada" that he wanted it to be. Drafting arrogant hotheads like Jim Kirk would help him militarize the Fleet, especially if he was some sort of a high-profile drafting boss to begin with (else what was he doing in Iowa, dragging a bunch of cadets along to sightsee the construction of his upcoming big ship?).

His sleeve braid also matches TOS precedent: in addition to the thick "Flag" braid, there are three thin braids to up the ante from Commodore (zero thin) through Rear Admiral and Vice Admiral to full Admiral (three thin). In a Star Trek touch, one of the thin braids is on the "wrong" side of the thick one, closer to the hand, again as per TOS precedent.

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The slight discontinuity with TOS would come from Kirk in ST:TMP actually needing two stars on his shoulders (he has the thick braid plus one thin, meaning Rear Admiral or whatever they call the second flag rank) but having just one.

Three stars is par for the course when one commands a Fleet, in TNG and DS9 both. Although two also suffices in DS9. Perhaps Janeway commands the Fleet that the E-E still at least theoretically belongs to.

Three is also good for what we might call "sector command": Sisko's various local bosses wore that, as did Picard's spymasters associated with specific foes (Hagen and Romulans, Nechayev and Cardassians). Janeway could be the new Hagen for all we know.

Timo Saloniemi

 

No problem with such a small cameo. As a character she will give admiral nechayev a run for her money.

 

Why are we questioning Janeway's promotion to admiral? This thread makes no sense to me.

 

Yeah, we need hard answers about why she was at particular locations at certain points in the journey home.

 

What do you mean?

 

Not a fan of Voyager but it didn't bother me. It was just a silly cameo. And it makes sense that they'd promote her and that she would want to retire into a desk job.

 

It's not on screen, but I always assumed that Picard had either turned down promotions over the years (possibly due to the influence of Kirk's "Don't let them promote you" speech) or that Starfleet Command just knew he was such an excellent Captain that it would be a waste of his abilities to promote him.

 

Kept her crew (mosltly) and her ship (mostly) intact for 7 years while on the other end of the Galaxy, facing multiple threats, including the Borg, and brought said ship and crew home. I'd think the least they'd do is make her an admiral for that.