What happened to Kurn's daughters after Kurn's "death"?

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  1. Paradise City

    Paradise City Commodore Commodore

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    I was reading memory alpha and the concept of Kurn's daughters came up.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_Klingons_(24th_century)#Alexander.27s_cousins

    Adult Alexander " K'mtar" mentioned his cousins in TNG and given that Kurn has no male heirs they seem to be his daughters.

    So with Kurn's "disappearance" did Kurn have them adopted or perhaps they found their way into the House of Martok?

    Or perhaps Kurn killed them to avoid their dishonour? :shrug:
     
  2. Jono

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    They might have already left the house by the time it fell a second time, saving them from the dishonour. Kurn was only around 30 when that happened, but if the way Alexander aged is typical than Kurn could easily have had two daughters old enough to have been married by that time.

    Another possibility is that K'mtar might have been more general and be talking about a greater extended family. This probably goes against what the writers intended at the time, but it would be the first time Trek changed tact on something later on.
     
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  3. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Or K'mtar may have been telling a fib...
     
  4. Paradise City

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    It could be that Mrs. Kurn had a quickie-divorce. As Quark found out, the formalities aren't too big with that and she simply went off and married another guy.
     
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    they moved to Minsk ..... Minsk
     
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  6. DS9forever

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    Change in the timeline.
     
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  7. Jono

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    If I remember the episode correctly Alexander acknowledges that he has cousins that want to meet him. Plus Worf was listening in and probably would have made a bigger deal out of someone like K'mtar getting such a detail wrong or outright lying.
     
  8. somebuddyX

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    Maybe they all got memory wipes too.
     
  9. rhubarbodendron

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    There are many possibilities:
    • They might have been cousins on his mother's side of the family, or cousins once or twice removed.
    • Kurn grew up with the family of Lorgh, a friend of his father's. Alexander might refer to Lorgh's children as cousins.
    • If Kurn had daughters (I don't recall any mentioning of them but I've only seen the series when it first aired in the 80s) they would certainly have been taken in by relatives or close friends of the family. If Kurn didn't see to it himself, his new adopted father Noggra would certainly, being a reliable friend and supporter of the House of Mogh. It would have been a temporary thing only since by the time the war ended, the honour of the House of Mogh would be fully restored, even though the house itself didn't exist anymore, so that they could resume their places in society.
    But is it mentioned anywhere in all the series that women couldn't inherit? There are female officers on Klingon ships so Klingon society seems to be comperatively gender-equal. We even learn that they could lead a House (Grilka). Therefore I seee no reason for assuming that Klingon girls couldn't inherit. hence, when ist mentioned that Kurn has no heirs we might well assume he had no children at all.
     
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  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ IIRC, DS9's "The House of Quark" said that women could not normally inherit leadership of their House, unless they had special dispensation from the High Council.

    Although I agree that Noggra would have certainly taken steps to protect any children that Kurn had. Noggra would have seen to it that Kurn's daughters were well cared for.
     
  11. Prax

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    Their property was seized, the household...killed. Kurn alone escaped with his life. He must have been off world at the time. If there were survivors, they are fatherless, and will have to live off the generosity of others.
     
  12. cultcross

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    The Kurn memory wipe was one of the DS9's worst ever story choices, in my eye. A total cop-out to what started as one of their most hard hitting and brave episodes. The writers seemed to bottle it in the second half and come up with a sci-fi get out clause, and them implemented it without Kurn's consent!
     
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  13. Jono

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    While Kurn was never shown to give consent, we don't know he actually didn't consent to what Worf did. There is also the possibility that even if he didn't that Worf and Bashir didn't need his consent.
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

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    The same thing that happened to the Borg Baby...
     
  15. cultcross

    cultcross Postponed for the snooker Moderator

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    :confused: To wipe his memory? I would like some say in that, myself.
     
  16. Prax

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    Sisko gets so mad at Worf for trying to do the ritual suicide thing. "GET OUT!"

    Picard has no problem with Worf committing ritual suicide on the Enterprise, and even encourages Riker to help him do it.
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    Picard gets so mad at Worf for challenging Duras to a duel and killing him.

    Sisko basically orders Worf to "do something about Gow'ron. Like there's no option but the Klingon option. Challenge him, and kill him.

    Verdict: Worf just can't win
     
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  17. Mr. Laser Beam

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    There is no evidence that Kurn's daughters were killed. Not even Klingons go that far.
     
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  18. Prax

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    Why wouldn't they? Humans do all the time.
     
  19. The Wormhole

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    No, Kurn claimed he stood there and watched as Gowron's men seized his land and stripped the family of their name.
     
  20. Paradise City

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    Klingons kill each other at the drop of at a hat. It's really no big thing for them.

    That said, it's not only Worf that was adopted, it's pretty safe bet that Kurn was too - so maybe there was a family on hand that could adopt his children. .