In Enterprise, if memory serves me correct, in either the 29th or 31st century, the Federation is no more. It seems whoever is fighting the Temporal Cold War is either very fond of, or a successor state to the federation. What happens? Is the Federation defeated, or goes into a regional dark age before emerging into something new? Did the Breen (or whoever) conquer the Federation, and like the Ostrogoths in Rome with Boethius and Cassiodorus, adopt the much larger and (?) and advanced culture, and saw in the former Federation something worth partially resurrecting in a new form? Or does the Federation merge with other regional blocks on a massive scale, and submerged it's political identity into something far more ambitious? I notice San Francisco wasn't apparently nuked in the future main timeline, so that is a good sign that the Federation didn't collapse in war.... but given how many wars the Federation gets into, how horrible it's tactics are, and undoubtedly the hostility and infinite enemies it generates with it's Prime Directives (random victim civilization suffering from the cruelity of the insane prime directive: you won't give us medicine to save us, despite having it, cause you think our species is retarded and deserve to die? We might not be good at medicine, but we can make missles and weapons you know.) Frankly, I think the Federation is a cruel, corrupt, highly inept and self righteous state, deserved to die off centuries earlier. Something happens to the point that they either finally get knocked down by someone capable of defending themselves and conquer them, or others want to join them, but the idea and cultural baggage of "The Federation" is too unappealing, and the Federation woukds admit it was a farce all along, chuck it, and embrace a new order. I hope it was war though. I hope it collapsed in on its own hipocrisy and delusions, and that most people died as a result if its imposed, self righteous insanity. Everyone running around in city streets screaming "We deserve this, we did this to ourselves!" as a enemy fleet in space casts their shadows down below, blocking the sun, starting mass nuclear bombardment. I would be very happy to see the Federation go. It's a terrible, closed minded, corrupt system. I saw Worf terrorize Riza in one episode, weather system went bezerk, didn't get thrown in jail, not even demoted. Planatary scale terrorism, shows up to work next episode like nothing happened. Saw Sisko make a planet uninhabitable. Heck, saw middle ranking officer Sisko, only command experience was running a space station, circumvent every admiral and ran the war, while proclaiming himself a religious prophet. Taliban isn't even that reckless. You can't tell me this Federation didn't deserve to die off. I'm happy it goes away eventually, but would like to know how, and what comes after.
Where is it said that the Federation doesn't exist in 31st century? I've heard this said before but after checking the transcripts of all Daniels appearances (seeing as he'd be the only one to recount such information) I can't find anything of the sort.
I think the OP refers to the post-apocalyptic Earth of "Shockwave", but that timeline was created by Daniels snatching Archer away from 2151 and thus he wasn't there to help form the Federation and Earth ended up a ruin. There was also a reference in "Cold Front", where Trip asks Daniels if Earth is still there in the 31st century and is told "It depends how you define 'Earth'" but I suspect that little thread was outright dropped since in "Shockwave" he says he was just as shocked by Earth's ruin as Archer.
Cold Front does have Daniels say he isn't a member of Starfleet, which I'd forgotten about, but I don't think that discounts Daniels working for some other organisation and both the Federation and Starfleet still existing, or else he's just referring to not being a member of Earth Starfleet.
Yeah, he definitely says it, just going purely off memory though. Archer wasn't too impressed with a future federation at first, and was suspicious about who Daniels was, if he was even human, on his side. Daniels did a bad response, spilling the beans, and not for the sake of the audience who already knew. If a Temporal Prime Directed existed, Daniels jumped it like a hurdle and left it well behind in any conversation with Captain Archer. Willing to tell him about the 29th/31st century, but wouldn't let him poke around in the books about The Romulan Star Empire.... but seriously, expected him to fight all these future factions stemming from these midpoint empires. I wouldn't of been so nice to Daniel's selective withholding of information about the future as Archer was. You wanna preserve the timeline, tell me, I'll try my best to overcome the Temporal Cold War by sticking to it more or less. That's what I would of said. I hope Archer stuck that Romulan Star Empire book under the back of his belt when Daniels wasn't looking.
By the 31st Century, The Federation seems to be the Galaxy's "policemen." They are fighting a war, not over space, but over time. And they are the ones defending "time" against those who wish alter history. Daniels says some weird things. He's "more or less" human. Chicago is no longer the city on Earth. Earth itself is no longer solely definable as the Human homeworld.. Maybe it's like Rome. By the time of Diocletian, Emperor's rarely, and sometimes never even visited the actual (original) city of Rome. "Roma" and "Romania" was used to describe ALL Roman lands and people, Whether it be in Egypt, Jerusalem, Greece, etc. Outsiders called it Rome and Romans. Inhabitants likewise.
The federation exists this is made clear both in Future's end and Relativity also in ENT. It has probably settled/integrated most if not all the galaxy.
By the 31st century if the Federation continues to hold its HQ on Earth then there are bound to be lots of human looking folks with different ethnic and offworld backgrounds. It will be as normal as a Caucasian from Kansas having ancestors from Scotland, Germany, France and Poland, no one bats an eyelid at that in our time. Also many species Kirk and Picard bumped into looked just like them, Daniel's response made a lot of sense, nothing weird about it. Planets with aliens that look like your next door neighbour:- Angel One Betazoids The Cloud City aliens The aliens that waged war via computer Ligon II in 'Code of Honor' Rubicon III - The Ayran looking aliens in 'Justice' The planet Haven - The Tarellians - refugees fleeing to Haven Not once did any of the human crew in those shows say - 'Wow those folks look like my Cousin Martha'...not once.
When I've heard this ``no Federation in the 31st Century'' thing before, it's focused on a line from Daniels in Shockwave. He talks about how in the proper timeline there's a monument to the Federation outside his Time Apartment. The reasoning, as I get it, is that monuments are only built to honor things in the past. So if there's a monument to the Federation it must mean the Federation is a gone thing by Daniels's time. I am not persuaded by this argument.
There was a cartoon with a rectangular prrimary hull ship where the Federation didn't exist. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek_projects http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_novels_and_reference_books
Actually, there still was a Federation, it was just heavily isolationist and split in two. About that show, though: Spoiler: novelverse It's actually mentioned in one of the DTI novels. Daniels, the time-traveller, reveals that the Omega particle detonations which created this mess, were part of Future Guy's experiments. Daniels also says that the 31st-century time agency managed to "isolate" the Final Frontier timeline and remove it from history.
I love how meta that last line is. I guess Daniels also removed Tiberius Chase, Alexander Kirk, Xon and the Titans too.