Poll Where did Linnis gestate Andrew?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by φ of π, Oct 3, 2016.

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Where did Linnis gestate Andrew?

  1. Abdomen - Human style.

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  2. Back - Ocampa style.

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  3. Some third option?

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  1. Sophie74656

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    It wasn't said on screen though was it?
     
  2. Sophie74656

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    I liked the longer one slightly better but neither were flattering
     
  3. teacake

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    This is true, those godawful cocker spaniel wigs make the short ones look quite fetching!

    But really, they didn't have better wigs down there at Paramount? I didn't even know Kate was wearing wigs until I read it here! Sadly we couldn't have such illusions with Kes.
     
  4. Lynx

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    The name of Harry's father was also established in the book "Pathways" by Jeri Taylor.
     
  5. Sophie74656

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    I used to have a cocker spaniel...lovely little dog
     
  6. Tracy Trek

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    The way they wrote her character off left no way to bring the character back except for flashbacks or dream sequences. Even then it's archival footage.

    Wasn't Jennifer Lien's own hair long enough to hide the absence of the Ocampan ears when they had to stop using them (because she suffered an allergy, right?).

    I figured Kate Mulgrew wore wigs because there is one episode where she has short hair before she wore it short for good in season 4. Does anyone recall it? She had short hair in the scene where she's reprimanding Tom and Neelix for their hair pasta fight.
     
  7. 2takesfrakes

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    On one hand, I kind of want to give VOY the benefit of the doubt, that Kes' shitty wigs were really just another attempt at making her more "exotic" ... more "alien," if you like. Season 1, it's like ... WTF am I even looking at? Is that a hair hat ... ? I don't get it. And it's frustrating to see it when VOY finally relents in the end, though, and starts giving her a more natural look.

    It gives the impression that they were being needlessly stubborn about Kes' hair, like they didn't want to admit they'd made a mistake, earlier. So, in effect, Kes could've had decent hair, the whole time! Yes, Jennifer Lien was hot, but even hotness can't carry every look. How about letting VOY actresses use accessories that enhance their beauty, that work with their beauty, instead of going against it? Linnis was allowed to sport her own hair, though ... which is good. Maybe they replaced Michael Westmore, finally? I'm not sure what happened ...
     
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    It's times like this I think I'm the only person that actually liked Kes' season 2 hair/wig. It's cute, it suits her and it makes her resemble a fairy in conjunction with her cute dresses/outfits and her inherent goodness and fairness.
     
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    Not exactly right! ;)
    I happen to like the Kes season 2 hair too. As I've written before, that hairdo were a sort of trademark for the character. It was what made her Kes if anything.

    In long hair, she just became another of those typical Starfleet cut-out female characters.
     
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  10. Lynx

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    I didn't like that they killed off Kate in NCIS just because it left no way to bring back the character. What if she had regretted her decision to quit, like Denise Crosby did?

    Still I have to give everyone involved credit for telling everything as it was. No "mutual decision" or "we couldn't write for the character" BS.

    The reason for the dramatic change of Kes's hairstyle in season 3 was because of Jennifer Lien's allergic reaction to the stuff they used to fit the Ocampa ears on her head. With long hair she didn't need those ears.

    Yes, Janeway has somewhat shorter hair in the episode "Parturition". When I first watched that episode I saw the change and therefore I wondered why she was back with her previous hairstyle in the next episode. Her hair must grow extremely fast! :)
     
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    I think the pixie look is what they were going for but what they got was Ken doll plastic hair helmet.
     
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    There are always better ways to bring back a character in a sci-fi story than in a present day setting. In Denise Crosby's case, you had alternate realities and then a look-alike daughter for Tasha Yar.

    Maybe for some reason they just couldn't use the wig the days she filmed those scenes.

    In the episode Before and After, the scene in Janeway's office when Kes is still traveling backward through time. It's a re-do of the scene when she and Neelix first told Janeway they wanted to come along. Did anyone else think something looked different about Kes' skin tone in this re-done scene. I never noticed it in any other scene but this.
     
  13. 2takesfrakes

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    ... Agreed! In the deed, agreed! Kes' elfin outfits before the catsuit came along were cute -- they were very femme, and she always wore them well.
     
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    She looked like an idiot. Super smart woman absorbing knowledge like a sponge, psychic powers, apparently Troi 2.0 in being able to utter bland observations that bring the crew amazing psychological succour, brave explorer who did what no one in her species has done for millienia and escaped into the sun and.. they dress up her like frakking Tinkerbelle.
     
  15. Lynx

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    Troi 2.0?

    Nothing wrong with Troi, she's a good character. Besides that, Kes has more edge than Troi. A lot more brave and adventourus.

    Nothing wrong with her outfit either. A lot more realistic than a catsuit. The contrast between the Tinkerbell outfit and a brave, determined and curious character with interesting abilities was downright striking!
     
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    Jennifer looked very cute in her Kes outfits and I love seeing her in them. Whilst I understand wanting to go for a signature "look," even I must admit that her elfish clothes did kind of blur, with their sameness. Her signature style, should've been cuteness, perhaps, rather than faeries, specifically ... exlusively. She's not required to wear a uniform, so to have her dress in a singular pattern all the time, in all her shows does make it seem as though she's only got a couple dresses in her closet and that's all. Kes is fully alien, this is true, but she's also a young woman and would want to dress accordingly. Maybe Han Solo HAS to wear that same getup ALL the time, or it's just "not" Han Solo. But Kes could've been allowed to dress cute in a variety of ways, without "losing character."
     
  17. Sophie74656

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    Others have done what she did. There were those that left with susperia, and those that left for the surface before Kes did. The nurse in Caretaker said she knew some people who went to the surface
     
  18. Sophie74656

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    There was certainly a missed opportunity with her exploring the replicator more. Even if it was just one time early on, as we did with Neelix.

    I still think it's funny that Neelix who has his own space ship, has interacted with countless alien species, has held many jobs and explored space, was in complete awe when he first came aboard Voyager. But Kes who was only a year ols and lived underground acted like it was nothing special
     
  19. Lynx

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    We never really saw how Kes reacted to the technical wonders of Voyager. It wasn't showed in the same way as we were allowed to see Neelix's reaction when he was beamed to the Transporter Room where Tuvok waited for him.

    We did see Kes look a bit surprised when Janeway ended The Doctor's program when she was in Sickbay after just coming on board Voyager.

    Due to her curiosity, I guess that Kes spent the weeks between the events in "Caretaker" and "Parallax" exploring the ship and learning all about it.
     
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    Considering the way she left the show Denise should be very grateful to have been brought back