Works for me. In any event, Fuller and company can call this winged design a "Daedalus" class if they like. There's nothing canon that establishes the globe ship shown in Sisko's office to be a Daedalus.
I could definitely get behind the adventures of Pike and crew! But, I'm sure the new storytellers wanted to create their own ship and crew to tell their story. After all, I'm sure as a writer, you'd want to create the environment that the stories are taking place in . . . other than being set in the Prime universe. Mr Awe
Fair enough, and again, my apologies. I guess that I have been somewhat disappointed at how we, as fans, and TPTB, have be "celebrating" the 50th anniversary of ST, when compared to other long lasting franchises recently. It feels like one of the family gatherings where you don't want to be there, but you have to out of tradition. It feels just that "hallow". Sigh. Oh, well. Maybe in five, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five or fifty years, we can have a franchise worth celebrating...
I think we have a franchise worth celebrating, and I've been enjoying the 50th. But, if there isn't money in it, there's no real reason for CBS to put a lot of effort into it. Star Trek just isn't the same pop culture phenomenon it was in the 1980's and 90's. Plus, what can be said or produced now that hasn't been said or produced before? There are limitations to what can be pulled off.
I would rather they ignore the anniversary completely and spend effort and money on producing quality entertainment. I don't need a corporate sponsored party to celebrate a franchise's achievement, just gimme more good stuff.
It really worked out well for "Enterprise" didn't it? Ditching almost every visual link with all the previous Trek shows. I still don't understand what was so wrong with putting Bakula in a recognisably Trek gold jersey.It might have grabbed the attention of those much desired casual viewers/channel surfers. Same thing for a Constitution class "hero ship".
That show's cancellation - after four years - had nothing to do with the visual style of the show, so...Nope. "Celebrating a franchise" is a silly marketing concept - it's not good for anything except selling you merchandise.
Oof. Calls for "visual links" seems to miss things like colored elements of the uniform reflecting divisions of duty (gold, red, and turquoise) and a host of other visual cues that were present in all the various Trek shows. Subtle references are interesting and appropriate - not everything has to hit like a sledgehammer.
Hadn't been necessary for any spinoff including The Next Generation, which is the one spinoff that was a bonafide hit (and whose Captain, of course, did not wear gold.)
Most of Enterprise simply wasn't dramatically appealing. Putting Bakula in a gold shirt doesn't change that. Audiences are simply looking for more than echoes from the past in their entertainment now.
We have a new series to look forward to, so why have a ship with an old design? I'm happy with what we have. New ship for the win.
I liked the design from the teaser - it was ugly in just the right ways, to me. But if we aren't getting that, how about a pre-refit Miranda-class? Or maybe one was re-commissioned...?
I'd love that. One of my favourite things about TOS (as opposed to each of the sequel shows) is how the original Enterprise is not a 'new' ship, but one with a pre-history from before the series began. I like that concept. I think it was kind of limiting that later shows didn't have the flexibility of that. 1701-D and Voyager were each new commissions, only Deep Space Nine (as Terok Nor) had a sense of 'history'.
Totally 100% agree. And while I can accept the Enterprise D being a new ship when TNG started (making it different from TOS), IMO Voyager should have been a ship with some history to it before Caretaker. At the very least, they could act as though the crew losses when they were pulled to the Delta Quadrant as opposed to "oh, well, I only met him an hour ago." I suppose they'd have to say the ship had undergone a recent refit, to explain the addition of the new EMH in sickbay.
Agreed. Even if they kept Voyager new ( I think the point might have been originally to see the ship age and get beat up ala BSG.), the captain hand picks the command staff and could have easily had a history with some of them and would have extensive service knowledge of all of them. Just one of scores of threads that were left unexplored. Instead we got Neelix cooking and hosting a morning talk show. The entire concept of being lost and far from home was sidestepped after the first 2 seasons, and was poorly executed in the first 2. I loved how the Kazon ships were a match for Voyager and had warp drive, yet the Kazons couldn't figure out how to get water. And later it was find a way home or shave a couple years and run the Borg gauntlet, instead of survival through rationing and building a convoy-style alliance. We missed out on all the conflict and drama inherent in the premise. Paris: Hey, captain. How about we leave this holodeck program running 24/7? Janeway: Sure, why not. And while you're at it, code me a boyfriend. Anyway, I think the Discovery ship will be old, like 30-40 years, and might have been recently refit for its mission, which would be a nice touch.
Interestingly, in the earlier drafts of "Encounter At Farpoint", Dorothy Fontana had the 1701-D as a ship that had been already in service for an undisclosed amount of time before the show began ('Ryker' was in this version taking over from the ship's previous first officer, who was in turn becoming captain of another ship.) The decision to make it a newly launched ship seems to have come from Roddenberry's rewrites.
In another universe we're all raving about Star Trek: Equinox Yeah an older ship with a bit of history would be good.
IIRC, the original idea for VOY was tht the ship was older, a relic from the Cardassian Wars. However, apparently that changed because they wanted the ship to have the newest technology possible so that they would precisely NOT have to deal with things like the ship falling apart around them. Which was ironic, because Voyager got blasted to bits every episode, and then was magically pristine by the next (one of the show's severe faults.)