CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Richard Baker, Dec 30, 2015.

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  1. Tom

    Tom Vice Admiral Admiral

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    No, but at this point in time we are about 200k short of what we want to be to get everything done in the best way possible. We want to stretch episode 2 by 15-20 minutes also (maybe even split it into 2 episodes) , that budgets well above what we got on the KS drive, then there is all the post work and costs with that. We never had quite enough for the pilot, actually owed a little bit.
     
    Tom, Dec 31, 2015
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  2. gazomg

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    terrible news for trek fans
     
    gazomg, Dec 31, 2015
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  3. JoeZhang

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    Yes it is.
     
    JoeZhang, Dec 31, 2015
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  4. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    here you go


    Hi everyone,


    We've worked up a series of talking points about the lawsuit that will help keep the online conversations productive and on-point (from our position, anyway). Please feel free to use these talking points in your own comments when you post them to Facebook or any of the comments sections of the dozens of articles currently running their stories about the lawsuit.

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    Key Talking Points re: CBS/Paramount Lawsuit

    1. Axanar Productions (Alec) found out about the lawsuit through the news media. The lawsuit was not served until Wednesday, Dec. 30th.

    2. Axanar Productions and Alec are known at CBS and could have contacted the production directly with their concerns and suggestions for addressing those concerns; but chose to file a lawsuit instead.

    3. Axanar Productions takes this lawsuit seriously and wants to work out an amicable and mutually beneficial solution with the original IP owners. We have already reached out to them.

    4. For more than forty years, CBS and Paramount have allowed fans to produce Star Trek films. We celebrate ALL fan films on our website and have documented much of the history of Star Trek fan films there (in articles written, incidentally, by a Star Trek fan).

    5. We’re not doing anything new here – we’re just doing it differently and with the help of fans who are professionals in various aspects of production, design, marketing, etc. If there’s a professional “edge” to Axanar Production’s work, it’s because these fans are really good at what they do.

    6. We believe that fans who work on Axanar Production’s projects (i.e. PRELUDE TO AXANAR and AXANAR) should be compensated for their effort beyond a pat on the back. We can’t afford to pay full union rates, but we do pay something to help defer the costs associated with providing skilled talent to our projects. There are aspects of production which cannot be done by unskilled fans, and almost every fan film deals with this problem by occasionally paying skilled technicians for their time when necessary.

    7. Why CBS and Paramount have decided to sue Axanar Productions and thousands of Star Trek fans by proxy is beyond us. It seems an odd thing to do given we’re on the verge of a year-long celebration of Star Trek’s 50th anniversary.

    8. Fan activism in Axanar Production’s defense is welcome – after all, Star Trek has a history of fans rushing to the franchise’s rescue since the mid-1960’s when Bjo Trimble and thousands of other Trek fans flooded the mailroom at NBC to give the original series a third season.

    9. While fan support is appreciated, Axanar Productions won’t actively coordinate a response to either CBS or Paramount. We want to work with them on this issue, not intentionally antagonize them.

    10. We ask fans to be civil, respectful, factual and persistent in expressing their displeasure and urge all parties to work out a mutually beneficial outcome.

    11. All fan films solicit for donations. We're certainly not the only fan film that has utilized the power of crowd-funding to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. We're just the most open and honest about how much has been raised, and where the money goes. Our Axanar Annual Report is hailed as a standard in crowd funding. This 23 page document details where every dollar from both of our Kickstarter campaigns was spent, as well as lessons learned and a detailed explanation of costs.

    http://www.axanarproductions.com/revised-axanar-annual-report-released/

    NOTE:

    DO NOT talk about any legal argument.
    DO NOT criticize CBS or Paramount or any Star Trek

    Best Regards,

    Robert Meyer Burnett
     
    KennyB, Dec 31, 2015
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  5. OpenMaw

    OpenMaw Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes, "don't talk about any legal argument", because you'll get completely crushed by the massive weight of the facts.
     
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  6. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Out curiosity was that emailed to the donor base?

    Now CBS is suing fans by proxy. Oh, brother.

    You know, I have no problem with paying people for work done. That's admirable that they want to do that. I have a problem with the use of CBS's IP and their Kickstarter as the means to build the infrastructure for a for-profit business, i.e. Ares Studios. That's the bigger egregious act here.

    Oh brother.

    Now it's a fan film and not a professional independent STAR TREK production. Ah, the semantics game.

    Burnett's twitter rant would say otherwise.
     
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  7. lurok

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    Good luck on 9 & 10.

    Think that ship sailed.
     
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  8. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    Axanar Coffee. ?

    Wow. I don't even think theres ever been an official Star Trek coffee has there? If there had id have bought some
     
    Khan 2.0, Dec 31, 2015
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  9. SeerSGB

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    Fuck,now that's really going to fuel the Axanar Faithful's egos. "CBS is suing me for being a Axanar fan!!!" If you though they were insufferable before, just wait.
     
    SeerSGB, Dec 31, 2015
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  10. Harvey

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    :lol: Sounds like someone has read too many books by Marc Cushman. The effect and reach of the 1968 letter-writing campaign to save Star Trek has been frequently exaggerated in the service of the self-congratulatory mythology of Star Trek and its fans. It speaks volumes that they're invoking a nostalgic fantasy here.

    "All fan films solicit for donations" is a blatant lie. Claims of openness and honesty are a bit suspect in light of the fact that they've been fundraising based on the participation of Tony Todd in spite of the fact that he's apparently been off the production for the past 4-5 months.
     
    Harvey, Dec 31, 2015
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  11. SalvorHardin

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    This stuff is hilarious considering Burnett's and Peters' behavior the last 24 hours.
     
    SalvorHardin, Dec 31, 2015
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  12. Squiggy

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    I guess he deleted all those Tweets then?
     
    Squiggy, Dec 31, 2015
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  13. Noname Given

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    Not to mention Gene Roddenberry himself outright sold ALL his rights to the original Star Trek IP to Paramount in 1969; AND even got into a bit of trouble with Paramount for starting 'Lincoln Enterprises' back in the day and selling Star Trek memorabilia - which was settled out of court between the parties.

    That some fans still thought she was alive and somehow held the rights is just mind-boggling.
     
    Noname Given, Dec 31, 2015
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  14. Danlav05

    Danlav05 Commodore Commodore

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    That's started already - people are seeing this as an attack on fandom hence the calls to boycott Beyond and 2017 (as if)
     
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  15. Smoked Salmon

    Smoked Salmon Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    And the law....
     
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  16. dub

    dub Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Location? What is this?
    It looks like the coffee page is actually a fan/supporter of Axanar selling coffee then donating proceeds to Axanar, unless I read wrong. Not sure if that makes a difference as far as Axanar having ties to the website by accepting the money. Unless this guy is also part of the Axanar team.

    From the Axanar Coffee "about us" page:

     
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  17. Jedi_Master

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    I must say Axanar's direct appeals to the faithful are putting it more squarely in the television evangelist camp. What's next? Requests for prayers? "Give us 6 million dollars or the Great Bird is going to call us home"?
     
    Jedi_Master, Dec 31, 2015
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  18. TerilynnS

    TerilynnS Ensign Newbie

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    *weeps with laughter*
     
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  19. Smoked Salmon

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    It's a business venture between Peters and the coffee sellers. Whichever way you look at it the coffee is sold using the Star Trek brand name. That's trading on the goodwill of someone else's IP.
     
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  20. OpenMaw

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    Yeeep.
     
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