Hands up who likes "The Devil's Heart?"

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Gingerbread Demon, Jun 16, 2015.

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Who likes "The Devil's Heart?"

Poll closed Jun 30, 2015.
  1. Yes count me in

    87.5%
  2. NOooooooooooo

    6.3%
  3. What is a book?

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  4. Uuuummmmmmm

    6.3%
  1. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    I only have 4 Star Trek books

    Q Squared
    Generations
    First Contact
    The Devil's Heart

    Of those 4 The Devil's Heart is hands down my favourite book. I always end up reading it cover to cover whenever I have started it. It's an exciting book.

    Anyone else here that like it??

    I always thought this would have made an amazing movie but they never look at the books when considering stories..
     
  2. TheUsualSuspect

    TheUsualSuspect Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I remember liking it when it first came out, but I've never reread it. (I really don't reread many novels, however.)

    About all I remember of it is that it involves some sort of "seed" from the Guardian of Forever.
     
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  3. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    Yep the Kon'ya...

    I loved this book the very first time I read it. To me it just felt like a movie in my head and vast and bit, and nothing like a standard Star Trek movie, even though it was in that universe.

    One of my favourites. Q Squared would also have made an amazing movie.
     
  4. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I like the novel. I reread it last year . I thought it was an interesting story full of adventure, History and mystery.I thought it was a good book.
     
  5. Kilana2

    Kilana2 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I voted `count me inĀ“, but I honestly don't remember the content. All I can say is, that it wasn't bad.
     
  6. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I liked the bits about Iconia.
     
  7. Stevil2001

    Stevil2001 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's been an awful long time, but my memories of it are positive.
     
  8. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    This. I vaguely remember Picard being influenced by the Heart being well done.
     
  9. William Leisner

    William Leisner Scribbler Rear Admiral

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    Ditto.
     
  10. Starbreaker

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    I read it about 12 years ago and loved it. I don't reread many books, but I think I would like this one if I read it again as an adult.
     
  11. rfmcdpei

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    I quite enjoyed it when I read it as a teenager. I'd have to read it again.
     
  12. Avro Arrow

    Avro Arrow Vice Admiral Moderator

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    Like a number of others here, I recall really liking it when I read it... but it's been a *lot* of years! It's one of those books that I keep thinking I need to reread soon, to see how well it holds up.
     
  13. Allyn Gibson

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    I loved The Devil's Heart. It's part Grail quest, part It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
     
  14. Quimby

    Quimby Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I could be wrong but I am pretty sure it was the first TNG Hardcover novel.
     
  15. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    No, The Devil's Heart was the third TNG hardcover, after Reunion and Imzadi. And it was the eighth of Pocket's Trek hardcovers overall.
     
  16. bbailey861

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    Yes, as I recall I did enjoy it. I will admit though, because of space issues, that all my hardcover novels are in Rubbermaid containers in the basement.
     
  17. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    I've read this book within the past 5 years, and quite frankly, I remember very little about it, aside from some guy planet-hopping. I think it was a so-so book.
     
  18. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    So the K'onya was a portion or seed to make a new Guardian so even that tiny part had powers much like a full sized Guardian Of Forever.

    I'm surprised Picard didn't realize this when he had hold of it. Data didn't bother much to check the historical records ..
     
  19. Avro Arrow

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    Whenever these types of threads come up, I always say "I'll have to reread that"... and then I don't. But I had wanted to reread this one for a while now anyway, so I decided to go for it, and I reread it this weekend.

    And yes, in my opinion, it does hold up! :) I enjoyed it a great deal. Surprisingly, the book is 22 years old (:eek:), but the good side of that is that it had been so long since I had originally read it, that I only remembered a very vague outline of the plot, so reading it now was pretty much like reading it new, anyway! :)

    Some random thoughts:

    - There didn't seem to be anything in the book that seriously contradicted later canon, although there was a reference to the historical first contact between Andorians and Ferengi, which may contradict the history of Ferengi spaceflight established in "Little Green Men".

    - I don't think there was anything that conflicts with the current novelverse, either, with the usual exception of the Andorian genders, which we can usually handwave anyway. Actually, now that I think about it, in the Andorian historical section, there was a reference to a woman's "consort", and it was kind of implied he was the only spouse, so I guess this would contradict "Data's Day"... which aired a couple of years before the book's release.

    - I really enjoy books that give us glimpses into the history of the Star Trek universe!

    - I liked the prose style used here a great deal, and I also liked the "dreams within dreams" structure the author occasionally used.

    - The resolution seemed to happen a bit too quickly, but it was set up well, and nothing feels like it was just pulled out of thin air or anything.

    - I was kind of struck this time with the similarities between the Heart and the One Ring, which I wouldn't have known about when I first read the book.

    - The three planets the Iconians fled to are all spelled differently in the book than their "official" spelling (assuming what's on MA is the "official" spelling): Ikkabar vs. Iccobar, DiWahn vs. Dewan, and Dynasia vs. Dinasia. However, since there was no MA back then, and this book predates the release of the first edition of the ST Encyclopedia, I'm willing to cut it some slack! ;)

    - On that note... I would have sort of assumed from "Contagion" that the Iconians fled to a larger number of planets, and these three were just the ones close enough that the Federation would have encountered them and been able to note the similarity of the languages, but the book stipulates the Iconians fled to ONLY these three planets. (And the descendants were all aware of their Iconian heritage, which makes it seem a bit odd that the Iconians were seen as mysterious in "Contagion".)

    - I'm sure this is just a grand coincidence, but the Heart is called Ko N'ya in Vulcan, which of course is very similar to Rennan Konya's last name. Perhaps Picard should be keeping a closer eye on him! :lol:

    - I kind of wonder who the people on the cover are supposed to be. Based on the glow around all their heads, I'm guessing they're all supposed to be past Gem Bearers. So, the Klingon would then be Kessec, but all the others look too... human. Perhaps the woman on the upper right is Halaylah, since I don't recall a description being provided for her (although I might just not remember it), but I'm really not sure about the others.

    - Speaking of the cover, it's kind of funny that the cover artist drew the Heart based on Picard's speculation on what Crusher might have expected the Heart to look like ("A faceted ruby the size of a watermelon"), rather than what the Heart *actually* looked like: an unassuming rock.

    So, yes, I still enjoy this book even now. I'm not sure yet whether I'd rate it "Outstanding" or "Above Average" if this was one of our "standard" voting threads... but since it's not, I don't have to make the decision! :D
     
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  20. Christopher

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    Wouldn't it contradict TNG, though? First direct contact between the Federation and the Ferengi didn't happen until "The Last Outpost"; nobody in the UFP even knew what the Ferengi looked like until then. And the Andorians are part of the UFP.


    Still, it should've been possible to request a copy of the script through the editor, I think. Or maybe the licensing people could've corrected the spelling. So it's odd those re-spellings got through.


    Yeah, that bugged me too. It's sort of like assuming, say, that the peoples of India, Russia, and Germany are the only three direct descendants of the original speakers of Proto-Indo-European, and that they share a common cultural identity as Proto-Indo-Europeans. I suppose it's not a completely irreconcilable extrapolation from the episode, assuming the three cultures kept their Iconian heritage secret from outsiders or something, but it is hard to credit. After all, the Iconians fell 200,000 years ago. That's, like, 30 times longer than the entire span of recorded human history. It seems likely that those cultures' Iconian ancestry would be far too remote for them to have a direct memory of it or attachment to it.

    (I can't remember offhand how Gateways handled those three civilizations, if at all. Can anyone remind me?)


    I picked Rennan's last name based on a city in Turkey, as sort of a wordplay on "Troi" as a Betazoid surname.


    Well, an image of Picard staring at an unassuming rock would've been a less effective cover.